Delta Disqualifiers

GypsyPilot said:
I had a 4.0 in junior college, and a 3.5 gpa at my 4 year school with multiple Dean's list honors, and only two Cs as my lowest grades (Physics II and Heat Transfer).

Another guy I work with had to take some time off to deal with his terminally ill mother. Yet we have people like yourself that would lump us into a slacker group... That's just not right.
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I didn't say that. I said that in aggregate (like when sifting through tens of thousands of applications) there's some value in it. Think, for your one friend who had family trouble, how many dropped out of the program or were perpetual students because they a) didn't take school seriously or b) just couldn't hack it? Remember, we're not talking about a small company hiring one guy from the local area, we're talking a huge corporation. No matter what method they use some guys who have had bad luck or who are outliers are going to get screwed. All I'm saying is that I think that big picture this particular metric has some validity to it. That's if they are even using it, which people in the know don't seem to be confirming.
 
scooter2525 said:
Maybe they are looking for guys who have aviation degrees with 4 years of college. I get what your saying.
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Which is funny, because I'd imagine most of us that have any amount of ambition have already seen and done enough aviation course work (via our ratings and jobs) for several aviation degrees by the time we have enough experience to be competitive at Delta.
 
Did you guys read the OP? It was 6 years or less, not 4....

And I would agree, outside of unusual circumstances most people will get a 4 year in 4-5 years.

I do find it mildly amusing that most DL guys you talk to wouldn't make the cut nowadays. I know a few who were hired at NWA from my former commuter and let me tell you, they are NOT your typical DL guy either.

I'm in the same situation, applied to AA in Oct 2013 and never heard a peep, after all I wasn't mil or an astronaut. Yet here I am flying their airplanes now.
 
Roger Roger said:
I didn't say that. I said that in aggregate (like when sifting through tens of thousands of applications) there's some value in it. Think, for your one friend who had family trouble, how many dropped out of the program or were perpetual students because they a) didn't take school seriously or b) just couldn't hack it? Remember, we're not talking about a small company hiring one guy from the local area, we're talking a huge corporation. No matter what method they use some guys who have had bad luck or who are outliers are going to get screwed. All I'm saying is that I think that big picture this particular metric has some validity to it. That's if they are even using it, which people in the know don't seem to be confirming.
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First, it's not tens of thousands, it's more like ten thousand. Second, there are plenty of reasonable ways to make the stack more manageable; this isn't one of them. But hey, it's their company, so they can pick in any way they want. Just like we can criticize their criteria.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
First, it's not tens of thousands, it's more like ten thousand. Second, there are plenty of reasonable ways to make the stack more manageable; this isn't one of them. But hey, it's their company, so they can pick in any way they want. Just like we can criticize their criteria.
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Someone could say the same about refusing to hire someone without a Facebook account.
 
Roger Roger said:
Eh that's a popular theme in this thread but my (admittedly extremely anecdotal) observation from going to college was that a lot more people dropped out or did the victory lap because of a failure to hack it academically than due to an inability to get more money out of Sallie Mae.
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Sooooo what you're saying is that in order to get to Delta, you should amass a HUGE amount of debt, just for the chance that you might get hired there? Didn't that go against everything we preach here? And, if asking that path, something comes up, say a parent gets cancer, and you take a year off from college to take care of said sick parent, you just royally screwed yourself with that debt because you did what was morally right? My father has had cancer not once, not twice, but three times. All three times I have been there for him and my mother. Had I been in school, that would have been the first thing to go, because taking care of a sick parent, working full time, raising two kids AND going to school would have been recipe for failure at the last important thing at the time, which would have been school.
 
Derg said:
The "finish four year degree in four years" thing isn't really a thing. More deets later. Everyone take a breath.
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It's not just that though. There are many unreasonable DQ's that HR sets. People who have no business setting these kinds of things to "drain the pool." I get the testing requirements. That should be. But there are others that haven't been discussed here.

Edit to add: It's not my "Air Line." So it's not my DQ's to set. I know they need them to make the applicant pool manageable. I'm just not sure they are going about it the right way. Like I said, they eliminate people that would have been great for Delta.
 
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wheelsup said:
Did you guys read the OP? It was 6 years or less, not 4....

And I would agree, outside of unusual circumstances most people will get a 4 year in 4-5 years.

I do find it mildly amusing that most DL guys you talk to wouldn't make the cut nowadays. I know a few who were hired at NWA from my former commuter and let me tell you, they are NOT your typical DL guy either.

I'm in the same situation, applied to AA in Oct 2013 and never heard a peep, after all I wasn't mil or an astronaut. Yet here I am flying their airplanes now.
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I actually screwed that post up... The word I heard was 5 years.
 
Mark815 said:
I just can't get behind that first sentence. I can't, and won't put myself into crippling debt just in order to check another box for a company that may or may not hire me. If I want to do it for myself, in order to further educate myself or get more experience in a subject sure, but no way would I do it just for extra points.
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I would not recommend going into debt for a masters. I pay out of pocket, which is very difficult but worth it. The online masters runs around 550$ a month where I'm at and I can understand how people on a regional FO (or even some captains) salary simply can't afford it. I went into a huge amount of debt for my bachelors and it hurts! If I could rewind time, the name of the game would be balancing a reasonable amount of debt with busting my hump to supplement cash flow, but I didn't have any real work ethic before aviation taught it to me anyways. On the positive side, I actually care about what I do during the day, so yeah, some of my buddies are getting married, having kids (all good things), but they are also rotting away in a cubicle for the rest of their life doing something they hate. Might as well be a zombie at that point IMHO.
 
wheelsup said:
I do find it mildly amusing that most DL guys you talk to wouldn't make the cut nowadays. I know a few who were hired at NWA from my former commuter and let me tell you, they are NOT your typical DL guy either.
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I wouldn't pass muster here at UPS under the current hiring practices!

Friend of mine from waaay back during our commuter days interviewed at Delta in the mid-late 80's. This was his dream job. He got shot down due to the fact he wasn't ex-military, didn't sit in the right chair or didn't love his mother enough...who knows? Anyway, he licked his wounds and managed to get hired at Western about a year later. And we all know the rest of that story.....
 
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Acrofox said:
Exactly what I say about the requirement for a degree.

-Fox
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I agree, if the requirement is just to have any degree. If it's a specific requirement to have a certain kind of degree, I can see that being reasonable. Someone who has an engineering degree has really accomplished something. Someone who has a degree women's studies? Not so much.
 
The amount of time to graduate impact on one's score is not a very big deal. Plenty who needed extra time have been interviewed or hired. GPA is a much bigger factor in getting into tier 1.

If you graduated with less than a 2.8 GPA and took more than 6 years to graduate, that could be a concern. As of right now with tier 1 candidates getting invites, the competition is STIFF
 
Can't believe how many people are losing their minds over a guy asking to have a rumor cleared up.

I did two degrees in 4.5 years at a large state school and am far from a trust fund kid. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people I knew finished under 5 years. It seems popular in this thread to discredit people who have done the same. I feel for you guys with special circumstances but the actual Delta pilots are telling you not to lose sleep. Have some beers - it's Saturday.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I agree, if the requirement is just to have any degree. If it's a specific requirement to have a certain kind of degree, I can see that being reasonable. Someone who has an engineering degree has really accomplished something. Someone who has a degree women's studies? Not so much.
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I actually agree, in a sense. I don't /like/ the "Degree in X" requirement, but I don't find it de facto unreasonable—I just find it unreasonably (and objectionably) exclusive, and biased towards income.

However, the "Requires a degree in anything" requirement I do take as de facto unreasonable.

But that's my particular windmill, and I'll stop tilting at it in this thread.

-Fox
 
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