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ppragman said:
What's wrong with solidarity?
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Solidarity with an alter ego carrier? No problem. Let's see an letter of apology from the GoJet pilot's leadership and a pledge of solidarity with us. Also I'd like a formal apology from that TUP GoJetter who lied to crews for weeks while we unknowingly carried him around in open defiance of our FOM. If you would like I could provide him with the days I took him to Memphis for his connection to St. Louis while he lied to my face and told me he was ID90'ing the leg.

He has to shave the GD mustache off as a sign of penance.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Solidarity with an alter ego carrier? No problem. Let's see an letter of apology from the GoJet pilot's leadership and a pledge of solidarity with us. Also I'd like a formal apology from that TUP GoJetter who lied to crews for weeks while we unknowingly carried him around in open defiance of our FOM. If you would like I could provide him with the days I took him to Memphis for his connection to St. Louis while he lied to my face and told me he was ID90'ing the leg.

He has to shave the GD mustache off as a sign of penance.
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Honestly, the behavior of a few a-holes doesn't represent the greater good that people have - though that's more of a philosophical argument than a practical one. What I'm getting at is that being pissed at GoJet is a bit of a non sequitor when (to paraphrase It's Always Sunny) we're getting plowed in the ass by management, with their 10-gallon hats, and their rotten ass-plowing hearts. Focus on the real problem - that wages haven't kept up with inflation, that companies view us as a part-to be replaced, and that work/rest-rules are absolute garbage. The fact that some guys will scab, some guys will go to alter-ego carriers, and some guys will do you wrong doesn't change the mission.
 
ppragman said:
Honestly, the behavior of a few a-holes doesn't represent the greater good that people have - though that's more of a philosophical argument than a practical one. What I'm getting at is that being pissed at GoJet is a bit of a non sequitor when (to paraphrase It's Always Sunny) we're getting plowed in the ass by management, with their 10-gallon hats, and their rotten ass-plowing hearts. Focus on the real problem - that wages haven't kept up with inflation, that companies view us as a part-to be replaced, and that work/rest-rules are absolute garbage. The fact that some guys will scab, some guys will go to alter-ego carriers, and some guys will do you wrong doesn't change the mission.
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If those pilots do not share our values how am I to work in solidarity with them? If they work in antithesis of the goal to better the profession, I find it hard to rationalize being inclusive towards them. Perhaps you are looking for some sort of monk/priest type pilot?

Solidarity:
What forms the basis of solidarity varies between societies. In simple societies it may be mainly based around kinship and shared values. In more complex societies there are various theories as to what contributes to a sense of social solidarity.[SUP][1]

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jynxyjoe said:
Also I'd like a formal apology from that TUP GoJetter who lied to crews for weeks while we unknowingly carried him around in open defiance of our FOM. If you would like I could provide him with the days I took him to Memphis for his connection to St. Louis while he lied to my face and told me he was ID90'ing the leg.
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I think I have his phone number somewhere, The • was in the same crashpad I was in.
 
jynxyjoe said:
If those pilots do not share our values how am I to work in solidarity with them? If they work in antithesis of the goal to better the profession, I find it hard to rationalize being inclusive towards them. Perhaps you are looking for some sort of monk/priest type pilot?

Solidarity:
What forms the basis of solidarity varies between societies. In simple societies it may be mainly based around kinship and shared values. In more complex societies there are various theories as to what contributes to a sense of social solidarity.[SUP][1]

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"Solidarity does not assume that our struggles are the same struggles, or that our pain is the same pain, or that our hope is for the same future. Solidarity involves commitment, and work, as well as the recognition that even if we do not have the same feelings, or the same lives, or the same bodies, we do live on common ground." - Sarah Ahmed
 
jtrain609 said:
Did you miss the furloughed and downgraded TSA pilots during a period of time when GoJets was hiring?
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Fully aware, I just don't think that this is the issue that battle lines need to be drawn on. There are bigger fish to fry (in my humble opinion). Now, I gotta go to work. Be back in 14hrs...
 
ppragman said:
Fully aware, I just don't think that this is the issue that battle lines need to be drawn on. There are bigger fish to fry (in my humble opinion). Now, I gotta go to work. Be back in 14hrs...
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Every war has numerous battles that must be won before the war can be declared over.
 
ppragman said:
"Solidarity does not assume that our struggles are the same struggles, or that our pain is the same pain, or that our hope is for the same future. Solidarity involves commitment, and work, as well as the recognition that even if we do not have the same feelings, or the same lives, or the same bodies, we do live on common ground." - Sarah Ahmed
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Well I refute that definition of solidarity. Quite frankly I have no use for that level of naivety. Although if Sarah brings that level of optimism to every day of her life God bless her, she reminds me of my fiancee a little.
 
BajtheJino said:
Even the United guys?
I kinda feel like the Gojets guys/gals are on par with Colganites. They went where they went for whatever reason. But since Colgan got religion (when they couldn't get hired and suddenly realized they were going to be where they were for some time) their sins have been cleansed they're suddenly okay.
Nope.
I don't care who rides the jumpseat honestly. Denying someone doesn't make my pee pee any bigger and it doesn't change the industry.
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You might want to go on a fact-finding mission.

1.) CJC was not created as an alter-ego carrier
2.) CJC guys have been getting hired at career carriers long before ALPA was voted in

...and go-jetters aren't welcome on my jumpseat
 
jynxyjoe said:
Well, I don't know if what I said passes for deflection but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I believe "Jumpseat wars", the term, is meant to make some sort of joke out of these tactics. I don't know why you think it's going to "divide" anyone, when the plain and simple fact is that we are divided. GoJet's early on made it clear they wanted to "control their own destiny" or whatever at the expense of TSA pilots. I'm not worried about being united with them.
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I agree and that is all I am saying, that one pilot group pitting themselves against another because of who they work for is the REASON for the constant division in the regional world. I though I was clear that this is what I am speaking out against. As others have said I really have no duck in this hunt, but I would like to see the division in my industry disappear through the use of cooler heads. Im really not out to change minds but rather to offer another opinion. You have to admit this whole Gojet issue is more than a little heated. But then so are about 6 SLI's currently, so maybe its all a lost cause.

PPragman you are putting this so much better than me so I will defer to you for the rest of this thread..
 
Haha, thanks for reminding me why I won't get into this industry. From mocking the hat to jumpseat wars, the drama is laughable. So you got undercut, welcome to every other industry.
 
pullup said:
Haha, thanks for reminding me why I won't get into this industry. From mocking the hat to jumpseat wars, the drama is laughable. So you got undercut, welcome to every other industry.
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Where is this supposed Shangri-La of professions where they don't sit around and complain about the job? :)
 
I get the whole GoJet angst...but with United sending furloughees there, and with even ATN_Pilot saying that new GoJetters shouldn't necessarily be viewed as harshly (in another thread) - I think this is simply angst for angst's sake. Sure, GoJet was created to circumvent the TSA pilots - but the TSA pilots had a small hand in creating it when they turned down the rates that Hulas wanted to pay for the bigger airplanes - which I've heard some on here say was a tactical error on the part of the TSA pilots. I get the anger, but I also know that former SCABS are allowed to be in ALPA at CAL and one of our most prominent JetCareers union leaders used PFJ at GIA to get to a regional, to get to a mainline, and is going to be a SWA pilot - but is now all about "Do as I say, not as I do" - even if the results have worked spectacularly for him. It seems those two transgressions - PFJ, and actual SCABBING at CAL are at least as destructive as GoJet - yet there has been forgiveness (at least officially with the CAL SCABS) of those transgressions. As far as GoJet - all the jumpseat wars, ridicule and bad vibes have obviously not hurt its growth - so perhaps the tack that everyone is taking with it is not effective?
 
Doug Taylor said:
Where is this supposed Shangri-La of professions where they don't sit around and complain about the job? :)
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I left my airline job with it's 700 mile, 2.5hr each way commute to the worst commuting airport in the country for a situation where I realized I'm at least an hour a day commuting, 5 days a week....interesting math there. Less stress in some ways but a lot more in others.
 
CEWLGUY said:
You might want to go on a fact-finding mission.

1.) CJC was not created as an alter-ego carrier
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I think you missed my point. Bottom feeding is bottom feeding.


CEWLGUY said:
2.) CJC guys have been getting hired at career carriers long before ALPA was voted in

...and go-jetters aren't welcome on my jumpseat
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Alls I be sayin is:when you lower the bar it doesn't matter if its Gojets or Colgan the damage is done.
 
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