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[jhugz]

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So what it boils down to is you hate your job, and he doesn't, so you feel as if he's a management pilot. Right... He has said negative things about the company, and those are the things you linked to on the Key Lime thread with his name. A management pilot reads that, and he's in the chief pilot's office the next day like CalCapt. If you want to remain anonymous that's fine, but show the same respect to others.

 

[Minuteman]

I don't take ASCII characters on the internet too seriously. Life is too short to get all bent out of shape over stuff on the net.

 

[derg]

Moesha and Bill Cosby have a lovechild?

 

[Kingairer]

On another vein. After what happened on this thread to CalCapt (sp?), shouldn't we ALL be doing our best to keep our names off the internet?

What is this you speak of, I missed it.

 

[Kingairer]

...and what are we arguing about on here again, I lost it in the one on one poo fling.

 

[jhugz]

...and what are we arguing about on here again, I lost it in the one on one poo fling.

Who's regional is cooler?

 

[MikeD]

Wow, this thread sure went down hill fast. I never ceases to amaze me how strong opnions run in these kinds of threads. Funny thing is, I don't remember seeing too much of it in other kinds of flying. Sure there is some, but it always seems to turn into a pissing contest when guys start talking about who's airline is better, which one is the bottom feeder, and why someone can't ride the jumpseat.

I have said it before, as have others. If ya'll would stop working against each other, and start working with each other, some good changes could be made. But it seems that management over the years (before my time, and before the time of MANY here on the boards), has pitted everyone against each other. It doesn't seem to be something new, as in it's been going on for decades now. Maybe my view is a little different, because I am an oustsider looking in, but a lot of what goes on in the 121 side of the industry is spelled out on these boards, and others just like these.

Bottom line, if there was as much time spent trying to change things, as there was bitching about things, the change would actually happen!

A number of airline pilots don't seem to understand that the quote "We have met the enemy, and he is us" is something they ought to take to heart.

Pilots have generally long been their own worst enemies in a number of subjects. Airline pilots seemingly moreso for some odd reason.

 

[Getburned]

What is this you speak of, I missed it.

What happened... I must've missed it as well.

 

[mshunter]

A number of airline pilots don't seem to understand that the quote "We have met the enemy, and he is us" is something they ought to take to heart.

Pilots have generally long been their own worst enemies in a number of subjects. Airline pilots seemingly moreso for some odd reason.

Which is one of the reasons why I don't think I could be a part of it until something drastically changes.

 

[fly22]

You know what is ironic? How years ago everyone was crying, mainly due to no jobs in the market and bad pay. Now they (airlines) can't staff quick enough and everyone is still crying.

You would have thought that with improving pay and guys being hired, that the whining would have gone down a degree.

 

[jynxyjoe]

So what it boils down to is you hate your job, and he doesn't, so you feel as if he's a management pilot. Right... He has said negative things about the company, and those are the things you linked to on the Key Lime thread with his name. A management pilot reads that, and he's in the chief pilot's office the next day like CalCapt. If you want to remain anonymous that's fine, but show the same respect to others.

What it boils down to is veiled threats towards the people I know over there is fine, but when I go loaded for bear in response you hop all over my back like I kicked a defenseless child. I did everything in my power to shut down the thread what did I get? Nothing! Keith's witch hunt back fired, which was my goal. The only thing I have to assuage your anger, is my regret if the company he loved so much had come after him after he so fervently defended them.

 

[BobDDuck]

A number of airline pilots don't seem to understand that the quote "We have met the enemy, and he is us" is something they ought to take to heart. Pilots have generally long been their own worst enemies in a number of subjects. Airline pilots seemingly moreso for some odd reason.

You are seeing (and hearing) the very loud minority and using it to whitewash an entire industry. The vast majority of 121 guys don't act like this.

 

[MikeD]

You are seeing (and hearing) the very loud minority and using it to whitewash an entire industry. The vast majority of 121 guys don't act like this.

Thats why I said in my post "a number of...." in the beginning; vice the word "all...". It's not all by any means, and it's not a whitewash.

 

[SmoothLanderJ]

Moesha and Bill Cosby have a lovechild?

LMAO!!!!

 

[azfsi60]

Haha, thanks for reminding me why I won't get into this industry. From mocking the hat to jumpseat wars, the drama is laughable. So you got undercut, welcome to every other industry.

+2 on this post. It's why I got out of the crap.

All this hard-line union rhetoric gets you guys nowhere in life. When are you union hard-liners at the regionals going to figure out that all the union does for you is take your damn dues every month? You are so proud of your union affiliation and how great it is and how much they are doing for you but you still spend all day long bitching about how the company is screwing you over. If the union is doing such great things for you, why does it suck so bad to work at a regional?

Have you ever thought about directing some of your venom toward your beloved union leadership? They deserve it just as much
as much the suits in the front office or some poor bastard is who is working at a non-union shop to try to feed his/her family.

I came to despise the union leadership at the taco stand I was working at. Their talk was tough but in the end, they delivered nothing.

Going to get the popcorn...

 

[Nick]

+2 on this post. It's why I got out of the crap.

All this hard-line union rhetoric gets you guys nowhere in life. When are you union hard-liners at the regionals going to figure out that all the union does for you is take your damn dues every month? You are so proud of your union affiliation and how great it is and how much they are doing for you but you still spend all day long bitching about how the company is screwing you over. If the union is doing such great things for you, why does it suck so bad to work at a regional?

Have you ever thought about directing some of your venom toward your beloved union leadership? They deserve it just as much
as much the suits in the front office or some poor bastard is who is working at a non-union shop to try to feed his/her family.

I came to despise the union leadership at the taco stand I was working at. Their talk was tough but in the end, they delivered nothing.

Going to get the popcorn...

When I got to the line where you compared professional representation for airline pilots to the union at a taco stand, I had to question whether or not your points where valid.

Being on several committees myself and having flown with the leader of my MEC multiple times (my union leadership, whom I'm supposed to "direct some of my venom towards"), I'm confident that you simply have not yet seen examples of how the union does quite a bit more than "take your damn dues every month" as if it is some kind of outside vendor operating for a profit.

 

[adreamer]

All this hard-line union rhetoric gets you guys nowhere in life.

It depends. It depends on what is your definition of "nowhere".

This is going to be interesting to see...

 

[CEWLGUY]

I think MEC's are a lot like the CIA, many of the positive gains go unnoticed, and people only seem to focus on the losses. I think most pilots would be very surprised at how much the union does "behind the scene." If only the pilots weren't so apathetic, and did some research before talking about matters about which they haven't a clue.

Though, simply logging onto the Internet and making broad statements about these matters is much easier, and far more entertaining. :drool:

 

[BobDDuck]

The other thing people fail to mention is that MECs (well, LECs who make up the MEC and elect the Chair) are elected locally. If somebody is in that position that is causing problems, it's the domiciles that fall under that LEC own damn fault for putting the guy in there in the first place. It's really easy to point fingers at "national" but when push comes to shove a local MEC can do pretty much what ever they want even in the National leadership doesn't want it.

 

[jtrain609]

The other thing people fail to mention is that MECs (well, LECs who make up the MEC and elect the Chair) are elected locally. If somebody is in that position that is causing problems, it's the domiciles that fall under that LEC own damn fault for putting the guy in there in the first place. It's really easy to point fingers at "national" but when push comes to shove a local MEC can do pretty much what ever they want even in the National leadership doesn't want it.

Bingo. If we understood our aircraft as poorly as we understood how our unions are setup, we'd all be smoking holes in the ground.