Delta backsout of $24000 seat vouchers.

[derg]

I'm old and just ruminating on what I have seen and currently see, am I wrong?

I can assure you, if there was a cabal of flight crews taking advantage of oversells and then profiting, airlines being ”a big data companies that happen to fly airplanes”, they would certainly know it.

Why go through all that work (and risk?) for $800 when one can fly a premium low-time turn and make multiples of that?

 

[///AMG]

trying to squeeze a profit from for the shareholders is the root of the problem

I think this could be said about our country, in any industry, or any business model, or really anything at all. It has gone too far, for far too long. We have reached a tipping point of the majority not being willing to suck it up anymore for the minority. Regardless of how counter intuitive the exact target was, pretty much all of 2020 (and into Jan 2021) was a symptom of this. I used to think it was OIF that caused a lot of this, but it's really been decades longer than that.....Iraq was just the first really public example of blatant lying that the GOP couldn't explain away in many years, and their cult could not comprehend that it wasn't in fact, the liberals who did this. They still can't, thus 1/6/21. But that was honestly a step in right direction, as weird as that sounds. I happen to agree with the "establishment republican" but at least the MAGA people are starting to become honest with themselves, without admitting it (because they are too dumb to), that they are the actual "RINOs". Good riddance, go find a hole to crawl into and watch your "movement" crumble with all the lies, fake truths, and just general retardation you brought to the forefront of society. This is what happens when we let dumb people speak out loud. Hope Hicks got it right, MAGA all looked like domestic terrorists that day, nobody will ever forget that.

 

[mrivc211]

Yeah, the audacity to accept an offer and then be upset when the rug gets pulled.

Rug didn’t get pulled. The flight canceled. FO didn’t show up. Circumstances changed. They’re just sour because they saw free flights for 5 years vanish. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch and you won’t be let down. Anyone that works in sales knows deal ain’t done till the money is in your account. We’re not exactly talking about peanuts here.

 

[mrivc211]

The PAX acted in good faith, he should get the money.

If Delta is buying seats back not knowing if the crew is going to show up, then Delta has their own issue.

Lmao
How did the pax act in good faith? By standing at the gate with every other passenger? Our societies entitlements have exploded. Everyone’s out to get what they can for free kicking and screaming.

 

[mrivc211]

When the deal was made the seats were valuable, they bought their seats at a certain price and sold them back to the airline for a hefty profit. The fact that the flight was canceled doesn't matter. If you buy a stock cheap and it skyrockets and you get out at the peak when it falls back to earth you still expect to be paid right?

No one’s buying stocks. You’re creating imaginary scenarios to suit your logic

 

[derg]

Could you imagine being the gate agent that bought a family off a plane for $24K and then the flight cancels?

Looking back, a number of my flights were oversells last week that ended up boarding anyway. They got on the jet, went for an airplane ride, zero drama.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I'm old and just ruminating on what I have seen and currently see, am I wrong?

Yes, very much so. Never even heard of anyone trying what you’re alleging, and I’ve known a lot of cheap pilots.

 

[dustoff17]

I wonder how it must feel to be so utterly wrong yet so sure of yourself?

For you it’s easy, look in a mirror!

 

[Toobdrvr]

ZING!!!

 

[knot4u]

No one’s buying stocks. You’re creating imaginary scenarios to suit your logic

No one's buying stocks? Are you being pedantic? It was meant to be a metaphor, but you already knew that.

 

[Hiboglossi]

I can assure you, if there was a cabal of flight crews taking advantage of oversells and then profiting, airlines being ”a ig data companies that happen to fly airplanes”, they would certainly know it.

Why go through all that work (and risk?) for $800 when one can fly a premium low-time turn and make multiples of that?

It would arguably make more financial sense than Iraqi Dinars. Perhaps it should be surprising no pilot has tried it yet.

 

[MikeD]

It would arguably make more financial sense than Iraqi Dinars. Perhaps it should be surprising no pilot has tried it yet.

forget Iraqi Dinars, would you like to invest next door in Iranian Rials? They are up and coming. Get in on the ground floor of this investment before it takes off and leave you behind! As a fiduciary, i work in your best financial interest, not my own…..I only make money, when you make money! Don’t miss out!

 

[knot4u]

All I'll say about gambling on oversold tickets by someone with access to the load boards isn't something I came up with on my own. I'm not that smart. Someone told me about it. I've never worked for an airline and I get no thrill from gambling. I used to work at a place where they'd hand out the paychecks at noon on Friday so if anyone needed to they could run to the bank on their lunch hour. This was actually when ATMs were only at the bank. They noticed a certain employee would never come back after lunch on Fridays, after a little investigating we found out he spent his Friday afternoons and most of his paycheck at Santa Anita. The eventual solution was to hand out checks at the end of the day on Friday and his wife would be there to pick him and his check up at the end of the day. They could've fired him but they didn't, he was very good at his job, I would've fired him. This was back in the prop shop days and he was one of the guys that worked in the blade shop profiling them by hand with files and wheels, eventually his protege upset him somehow and ended up getting clobbered on the head with a file. No Mas Carlos, you're outta here, enough is enough. If some pilots are alcoholics there's a pretty good chance there's a bunch of gamblers also.

 

[Toobdrvr]

 

[form810]

Delta Air Lines Offers Family $24,000 To Give Up Seats

The airline made the offer but never followed through and canceled the original flight.

simpleflying.com

Photo: Lukas Souza | Simple Flying
David Reeves and his family experienced the scenario described above at Oakland International Airport on Sunday. Reeves' family was flying to Nashville for Christmas on a flight to Salt Lake City, and at the gate, passengers were offered $8,000 to give up a seat and fly on a later flight. The family agreed to give up three seats on the aircraft, meaning they would receive $24,000 in vouchers. The family never received their money because the first officer for the flight did not show up, leading the flight to be canceled.

According to ABC7, Reeves asked the gate agent if the airline would honor the voucher offer.


Reeves added that he thought the decision not to honor the offer was bad business.



It gets worse...
To make matters worse, the flight was canceled, and Reeves' family was offered another flight only two days later. Because the cancelation was considered 'controllable' by the Department of Transportation's standards, the airline's compensation policies went into effect instead.

After creating the 'Airline Customer Service Dashboard' in September, the DOT aims to ensure all passengers know explicitly what ten major United States carriers will and will not cover in the event of controllable disruptions.
Delta's policy is to do the following in the event of a controllable cancellation:

• Rebook passengers on same airline at no additional cost
• Rebook on a partner airline or another airline with which it has an agreement at no additional cost
• Meal or meal cash/voucher when cancellation results in passenger waiting for 3 hours or more for a new flight
• Complimentary hotel accommodations for any passenger affected by an overnight cancellation
• Complimentary ground transportation to and from hotel for any passenger affected by an overnight cancellation

According to the Reeves family, Delta did not honor everything it promised to pay for. The family rented a car, drove to Monterey Regional Airport, and booked a flight on another airline. According to the family, Delta did pay for a hotel and the rental car but has yet to refund the flights back to Nashville.

Airlines suck...

I recently bought three separate tickets on three separate airlines simply to ensure that a trip would successfully terminate at its intended destination on its intended day (not even hour) of scheduled travel.

One airline delivered. Both of the others would have failed had they even provided a crew and taken off. I bet both of them blamed their woes on Wx so they would incur no adverse costs.

Airlines suck!

//endrant

 

[ChasenSFO]

So if you accept the voucher to give up your seat, and the flight cancels, and now you don’t get the voucher, does the airline still rebook you?

Yes, you're just a normal pax again.

A couple of questions.
- Are PAX advised of the voucher conditions when they give up their seats?
- Did the family ever get the voucher so they were able to see the fine print?

Yes, I guarantee you they were told to not board IN CASE their seat is needed and also that whatever pamphlet or similar Delta uses has all the same CYA small print the United one had. But sometimes people freak out when they end up just boarding the flight in their original seat instead of getting a free ticket.

One time a guy volunteered just because a really hot girl was the other volunteer and he thought if they both ended up at the same hotel he'd bone her. While I was processing their free tickets, flights the next day, and hotels, she figured out his plan and said "Dude is creeping me out, can I stay in a different hotel?". I said yes, the guy demanded that he go to the same hotel as her, I straight up said "Dude that's creepy, stop it" and then she told him she has a boyfriend and never wants to see him again. She then requested taking a different flight home to avoid him. By the way, she was like 19 and he was in his 40s. The guy ended up getting escorted out by police after kicking the crap out of the gate podium (in front of cops who were already there to calm him down after he started screaming to bring the plane back). He was so embarrassed by the whole thing that he became almost rabid, he kept repeating "its not supposed to happen like this" like a nut job lol.

Guess what? Police didn't escort him out until I had his free ticket voucher, hotel, meal voucher, and boarding pass for tomorrow (I elected to send him to SLC at 7am so she could take her time and leave at 3pm which she preferred as it was 11pm by the time they received their accommodations). Yes, after all that, we still had to fulfill United's obligations. Lol. So IF your seat is needed, you'll get your compensation. Always.

As for hatching plans to get awarded compensation, that sounds like a plan someone who has never worked in the industry would hatch LOL.

- You never know how many pax will show/misconnect
-Volunteers are only first come first serve IF they have the same fare class and mileage status. If you volunteer and then a big frequent flying or first class/full fare ticket pax wants in at the last second, they get picked over you.
-MOST oversales of a cabin require 0 intervention which is why airlines oversell...because people miss flights
-80%+ of the time in an oversale in a 2+ cabin jet, comp upgrades negate the need for volunteers.

Good luck with that. I tried it once and once only. I knew Virgin America didn't intentionally oversell flights AND also assigned seats in advance so the seatmaps accurately reflected loads if it was close to departure time. I was debating spontaneously going to EDC Las Vegas by myself on the day of the event and saw all flights from SFO were full sans one seat on Virgin despite a full seatmap. I bought it 1.5 hours out and purposely showed up to the counter not expecting to take the flight. Working the counter was a friend from my SkyWest days who had a boarding pass waiting for me and told me "Man, this flight oversold but you're so lucky I saw your name man, even got you a window! You're good!". So, I ended up on Virgin America for the first time (2012 I think) and ended up finding a ticket and my way to and from the festival and it really changed my life as now I'm DJing at a professional level trying to get onto the festival scene 10 years later.

Life be like that. But don't try to beat the system, it'll probably blow up in your face lol.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

For you it’s easy, look in a mirror!

"Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the wrongest of them all?"





[doesn't see self]

 

[Toobdrvr]

(Checks moon phase)

 

[mrivc211]

Yes, very much so. Never even heard of anyone trying what you’re alleging, and I’ve known a lot of cheap pilots.

If you look up the word cheap in the encyclopedia, the example they use is: pilots are cheap sob’s

 

[derg]

If you look up the word cheap in the encyclopedia, the example they use is: pilots are cheap sob’s

Someone asked me how much my shoes costed.

I said "$135".

Here was the reaction:

Nevermind I have tremendously flat feet and the cheap pilot shoes that don't trigger the New Balance crowd feel like dog poop to me.