Dan Gryder is a POS again

USMCmech said:
BTW Dan's "shove the nose down" stall recovery technique is a good way to kill yourself.
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Dan's a ginormous POS…..but Lolwut? He’s not talking about stall recovery per se.

At 800 feet climbing out in your Warrior what do you recommend you do with the yoke when the engine quits? Seems to me you have three options. Hold what you got, pull back, or push forward. 1 kills you pretty quick, 1 delays that for just a few seconds, and the third buys you some time to look around, preferably directly ahead of you, for a place to set it down.

I don’t like the man but the logic to his loss of thrust of take off in these single engine GA bug smashers is pretty sound.

Just ask McSpadden. Or anyone else lost in the impossible turn scenario. Engine quits, or is giving up the ghost, immediately lower the AoA and look for a place to land.
 
Wardogg said:
Dan's a ginormous POS…..but Lolwut? He’s not talking about stall recovery per se.

At 800 feet climbing out in your Warrior what do you recommend you do with the yoke when the engine quits? Seems to me you have three options. Hold what you got, pull back, or push forward. 1 kills you pretty quick, 1 delays that for just a few seconds, and the third buys you some time to look around, preferably directly ahead of you, for a place to set it down.

I don’t like the man but the logic to his loss of thrust of take off in these single engine GA bug smashers is pretty sound.

Just ask McSpadden. Or anyone else lost in the impossible turn scenario. Engine quits, or is giving up the ghost, immediately lower the AoA and look for a place to land.
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He could’ve invented the Jesus nut, I still wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire…
 
SteveC said:
“…speaks Mexican…” ?
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Well, the Mexican dialect of Spanish is distinct enough that it can confuse actual Spaniards so… I don’t know, I’m no linguist. But in many ways I put it like Quebecois, it’s French but it’s not French so I think of it as a distinct enough dialect to get its own name. But what do I know, I speak better gibberish than English.
 
SteveC said:
“…speaks Mexican…” ?
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Karnage said:
Well, the Mexican dialect of Spanish is distinct enough that it can confuse actual Spaniards so… I don’t know, I’m no linguist. But in many ways I put it like Quebecois, it’s French but it’s not French so I think of it as a distinct enough dialect to get its own name. But what do I know, I speak better gibberish than English.
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Sorry, probably pedantic of me.

We met some native Zapotec in Oaxaca a few years back, and more than a few Mayans in the Yucatán earlier this year. Both speak their native tongues (as well as Spanish), and I think that there are other native languages still in daily use throughout the country. Kind of made the use of “Mexican” as a language jump out at me. Reminded me somehow of the people that say “we speak ‘Merican here!”. :biggrin:

And yeah, there are many variations of Spanish throughout the Americas. My wife is semi-fluent and teaches ESL to people from a few different countries and talks about the variants in pronunciation, cadence, etc., so I get it.
 
SteveC said:
:biggrin:

And yeah, there are many variations of Spanish throughout the Americas. My wife is semi-fluent and teaches ESL to people from a few different countries and talks about the variants in pronunciation, cadence, etc., so I get it.
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One of the worst parts about learning Spanish is that some completely innocent word in one Spanish speaking country is some kind of horrifically offensive sexual slang in another.
 
Karnage said:
Well, the Mexican dialect of Spanish is distinct enough that it can confuse actual Spaniards so… I don’t know, I’m no linguist. But in many ways I put it like Quebecois, it’s French but it’s not French so I think of it as a distinct enough dialect to get its own name. But what do I know, I speak better gibberish than English.
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SteveC said:
Sorry, probably pedantic of me.

We met some native Zapotec in Oaxaca a few years back, and more than a few Mayans in the Yucatán earlier this year. Both speak their native tongues (as well as Spanish), and I think that there are other native languages still in daily use throughout the country. Kind of made the use of “Mexican” as a language jump out at me. Reminded me somehow of the people that say “we speak ‘Merican here!”. :biggrin:

And yeah, there are many variations of Spanish throughout the Americas. My wife is semi-fluent and teaches ESL to people from a few different countries and talks about the variants in pronunciation, cadence, etc., so I get it.
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It’s called Spanglish. More peculiar to the northern states of Mexico, gets worse the closer to the US border people are.

It ranks up in the top 5 of the butchering of the Spanish language. 😂
 
Karnage said:
ASUTA, then once we get on with LA center it's direct somewhere down the line on the OLAA2 with at least a half dozen different "descend via except..." altitudes.

I've developed this weird reaction when someone speaks Mexican to me I reply in French. My brain might be a little fried from spending too much time out in the desert sun...
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Ohh ASUTA is inland. Over the water heading to SFO it’s ALMUN that gets added. And eventually direct SERFR until the vectors for metering begin
 
If anything, I think Mexican Spanish, like Colombian Spanish, is as "neutral" as Spanish gets imo. Argentinian Spanish otoh is more like a bad version of the European Spanish.
ESL guy here but @jtrain609 manages to understand me so I guess good enough...
 
Wardogg said:
At 800 feet climbing out in your Warrior what do you recommend you do with the yoke when the engine quits? Seems to me you have three options. Hold what you got, pull back, or push forward. 1 kills you pretty quick, 1 delays that for just a few seconds, and the third buys you some time to look around, preferably directly ahead of you, for a place to set it down.
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Engine failure on takeoff at Vy give you plenty of time before the airplane stalls. There is no need for an aggressive push to completely unload the wing. Just relax your elbow and let the airplane seek the speed it was trimmed for (Vy) and then adjust for L/D max.

The aggressive unloading works fine at altitude but at low altitude it wastes a LOT of energy that you might need.
 
In an airplane like that, trimmed for takeoff, you could literally just let go of the yoke and the nose will go down. Teaching people to shove the yoke forward is a terrible technique.

The irony is that he later crashed a 150 because they went around and didn't raise the flaps, AND STALLED IT.

God I freaking hate him...
 
USMCmech said:
Engine failure on takeoff at Vy give you plenty of time before the airplane stalls. There is no need for an aggressive push to completely unload the wing. Just relax your elbow and let the airplane seek the speed it was trimmed for (Vy) and then adjust for L/D max.

The aggressive unloading works fine at altitude but at low altitude it wastes a LOT of energy that you might need.
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Inverted said:
In an airplane like that, trimmed for takeoff, you could literally just let go of the yoke and the nose will go down. Teaching people to shove the yoke forward is a terrible technique.

The irony is that he later crashed a 150 because they went around and didn't raise the flaps, AND STALLED IT.

God I freaking hate him...
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The problem is too many weekend warriors is/am/are/was/were pulling back when the big fan stopped turning. It’sa real problem. This video that we are talking about gave plenty of people a new technique that saved lives. How many? We’ll never know because we can’t count almost died. But it changed the way I taught loss of thrust on takeoff. If nothing more than to teach folks to expect it instead of being completely surprised by it. Talk about it. Be ready for it. And when it happens above all else don’t pull back.
 
Wardogg said:
The problem is too many weekend warriors is/am/are/was/were pulling back when the big fan stopped turning. It’sa real problem. This video that we are talking about gave plenty of people a new technique that saved lives. How many? We’ll never know because we can’t count almost died. But it changed the way I taught loss of thrust on takeoff. If nothing more than to teach folks to expect it instead of being completely surprised by it. Talk about it. Be ready for it. And when it happens above all else don’t pull back.
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I agree with this and I think we are not very far apart. My issue is that very few pilots have ever attempted this at 500 AGL I have demonstrated this to CFI students and it scares everyone.

Aggressively shoving the nose down causes far more problems than it solves.


Also the whole “weekend warrior” label is what give Gryder his credibility. Students believe that airline pilots have somehow unlocked the secret sauce for safety. The reality is they operate in a near zero risk system while GA enjoys the flexibility and accepts the risk that comes with it
 
Roger Roger said:
Ohh ASUTA is inland. Over the water heading to SFO it’s ALMUN that gets added. And eventually direct SERFR until the vectors for metering begin
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Yeah, I only ever get PVR day turns out of LAX, usually on day 2 or 3 (and sometimes both) of a four day trip. Because it makes perfect sense for a SEA based crew to be doing day turns from LAX instead of based crews.
 
USMCmech said:
I agree with this and I think we are not very far apart. My issue is that very few pilots have ever attempted this at 500 AGL I have demonstrated this to CFI students and it scares everyone.

Aggressively shoving the nose down causes far more problems than it solves.


Also the whole “weekend warrior” label is what give Gryder his credibility. Students believe that airline pilots have somehow unlocked the secret sauce for safety. The reality is they operate in a near zero risk system while GA enjoys the flexibility and accepts the risk that comes with it
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Agreed. Thank goodness I’m not one of those. But the same could be said to any of these influencers. Military. Airline or otherwise. Which is what made FlightChops’ old channel so much better. He was just a guy that liked to fly and would post videos about his lessons learned. Not instructional. Not a know it all.

I haven’t watched anything of his in a long time. And I haven’t instructed a primary student pilot since before Covid, but it was a paradigm shift I thought was needed at the time when it came out.
 
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