Dallas Executive Mid-Air / B-17 - P-63

[fholbert]

At Chino airshows are ran the same way. Bombers, transports and fighter types on the same circuit at the same time. South runway for arrivals and departures. As many as 20 aircraft in the air at the same time with the bombers being a lot slower. As a former ATC'er I always really impressed at how well it works.

 

[JordanD]

Should we ban auto racing too?

They threw away the mold when they made Todd. Anti-mask, pro-gun, anti-air show, anti woke, pro union,Tesla driver.

That one is easy to forget since motor sports has gotten insanely safe for what it is. F1 went 20+ years without a death, but I remember how striking the signs were when I went to my first race that said “MOTORSPORTS ARE DANGEROUS” and in no uncertain terms said, well, it’s always a possibility something could happen here that kills a driver or a spectator. They don’t exactly mince words when you buy the ticket.

 

[USMCmech]

Should we ban auto racing too?

They threw away the mold when they made Todd. Anti-mask, pro-gun, anti-air show, anti woke, pro union,Tesla driver.

You forgot "militantly pro 2A, but hates the NRA".

 

[roundout]

You forgot "militantly pro 2A, but hates the NRA".

There are dozens of us!

 

[fholbert]

It is not a patriotic thing to better the country or protect it.

I would strongly disagree.

The sight and sound of the war birds and the lessons being taught at air shows is very patriotic.

If the Heritage Flight doesn't put a lump in your throat, you just don't get it.

 

[Wardogg]

5 pages before it went political. Well done gents.

 

[fholbert]

Should we ban auto racing too?

They threw away the mold when they made Todd. Anti-mask, pro-gun, anti-air show, anti woke, pro union,Tesla driver.

If we're outlawing racing. Don't forget about this one.

 

[Boris Badenov]

That's disgustingly wholesome.

 

[USMCmech]

Last week at Houston.

 

[Acadia]

How tragic. RIP to the those that were lost. A friend of mine is a pilot for a different B-17 (Sentimental Journey) and this headline had my heart racing until I read the specifics. Still an awful feeling thinking of the family and friends of those involved.

 

[Boris Badenov]

With the proviso that I've always found T-6s dressed up as Japanese aircraft kind of lame, if you can watch that and not think airshows are cool, I don't know how to help you. Which is not to say that they shouldn't be well-run, obviously.

PS. Watching the Blues there towards the end in light of MikeD's comments really gives you an appreciation for just how good they are. Those Navy guys are AMAZING, wouldn't you say? Maybe the best Aviators anywhere, I'm sure you'd agree!

 

[roundout]

hWatching the Blues there towards the end in light of MikeD's comments really gives you an appreciation for just how good they are. Those Navy guys are AMAZING, wouldn't you say? Maybe the best Aviators anywhere, I'm sure you'd agree!

oh. Oh my.

 

[poser765]

He didn't say they broke the mold, he said they threw it away. It's out there, somewhere.

Waiting. Biding its time...

It hears it’s master call. It wants to be found…

 

[melax]

 

[derg]

I know we have one of our own that flies the B-24 and B-29 but I don't think he's on the B-17. I hope not at least.

I checked in with him almost immediately. He's safe.

 

[///AMG]

I see the similarities from this accident to the F-18 vs KC-130 crash out of Iwakuni a few years back or the F-35 vs KC-130 over SoCal. Even the military can struggle with basic formation work.

I’ll submit that both of those mishaps were related to aircraft already established in formation, and breakdowns of basic wingman-ship. It seems this is an example of 2 flights tragically meeting in the same piece of sky, not in any briefed or understood formation.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

What a boring take on life. FWIW, one of the leading causes of accidental death is driving. So if you're true to your word you better give that up too.

Go back and read my post. I wasn’t arguing against anything that can cause accidental death. Because literally anything can cause accidental death. I was arguing against things that have no productive purpose and have relatively high risk of accidental death. Driving is necessary to earn a living, to get food and clothing at the store, etc. I don’t know many people who go driving around in circles just for fun.

But to be clear, I am an advocate for mandating autopilots as soon as the technology is out of beta. Apes are terrible drivers.

Should we ban auto racing too?

They threw away the mold when they made Todd. Anti-mask, pro-gun, anti-air show, anti woke, pro union,Tesla driver.

It’s like people intentionally misrepresent my positions just to start an argument for sport.

I didn’t say anything about banning air shows. I said they were irresponsible. Lots of things are irresponsible, but as someone who doesn’t like government overreach, I don’t support outlawing them. I support people making wiser decisions on their own.

You forgot "militantly pro 2A, but hates the NRA".

You’re thinking of someone else. I’m a lifetime member of the NRA.

 

[SteveC]

Interesting, and sounds plausible to my inexperienced ears. I appreciate his attitude and delivery.

 

[SeanD]

This is a good explanation. Not the best visibility from the P-63 cockpit at all. Formation flying in that thing has to be extremely challenging.

 

[thevideographer]

P-63 looks like it has pretty excellent cockpit visibility to me. Search results prior to this crash mostly talk about how good the visibility was on the P-39/P-63. I think someone just declared it has bad visibility and now everyone is repeating it because it's a plausible-sounding explanation that takes the edge off of the fact that the pilot obviously just messed up.