Coudn't complete IOE

Autothrust Blue said:
Also, rigid integrity is prerequisite in this business.
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Airline pilots have an over inflated sense of self righteousness. Airline management is even worse. Ive seen almost as much flying bovine excretement in professional aviation as I have seen in the legal profession.

Everything from intentional fraud on PRIA forms out of spite to Intentionally flying commercial flights in unairworthy aircraft. I've known pilots who were drug abusers while flying the line to pilots who falsified their credentials. Hell in my own experience my last three 135 jobs each failed to pay me money owed, yet in each case I was a loyal honest employee. 2 of those companies are bankrupt and out of business. Third is just a duchebag operator who is well known for it. My experience in this industry is everyone is lying but it's only a problem if you get caught.

The airlines have turned into a frat full of "bros". No wonder we have such a problem finding pilots.

Don't get me wrong I think we need to be honest and trustworthy and should be held to a higher standard but the idea that everyone in aviation is honest is absolutely ridiculous.

There a lots of glass house owners throwing rocks around here.
 
Hacker15e said:
IMHO the entire point of matriculation into college is to teach students to navigate large, inefficient bureaucracies.
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Maybe that's why I preferred hiring people who never went to college ... they see things the way they should be rather than the way they are... ^_~

-Fox
 
For the original poster, I too learned the hard way about "real world flying versus the sim". Except mine came during recurrent at Piedmont, after a year of line flying in the Dash (10 years ago now). I felt cheated, I had done the job for a year with no complaints from any of my captains or anyone. Sure, I struggled at first, but I've found it takes at least 150-200 hours to get really comfortable with any airplane.

Long story short, I screwed up during recurrent. I wasn't as prepared as I should have been, a Citation type and now at C5 for three years have shown me that. I can't correct that big mistake, but I can account for it and make it my own. The hardest part now is trying to get past the computer. Three years ago, nearly four now, the hiring environment was so different for regionals. With my black mark from PDT and another one for being fired from the 135 I was at ( another long story) no one would call me. C5 did and they gave me a chance to fix my career. After explaining myself to the HR person over the phone, they decided to interview me. I've been a captain for a year now, after being an FO for two years.

During the interview, I explained what happened at both places. The response to the 135 firing was " Well, that sounds like typical 135 nonsense we've heard" and as for Piedmont " I don't think you'll be unprepared for a checking event ever again". The problem is now, after ticking those boxes on an app, is getting the chance to explain yourself to a person. You can do it, but it will take time.
 
I've always wondered what would happen to someone's career if they...
A - Lied on their application
B - Claimed to "own up to it in the interview", when that didn't happen
C - Proclaimed "I flew the 175 at Skywest for 3 years"
D - Got found out and shown the door, for lying.

o_Oo_Oo_O

Not saying "that happened"...just a hypothetical post on an evening, ;)
 
SurferLucas said:
I've always wondered what would happen to someone's career if they...
A - Lied on their application
B - Claimed to "own up to it in the interview", when that didn't happen
C - Proclaimed "I flew the 175 at Skywest for 3 years"
D - Got found out and shown the door, for lying.

o_Oo_Oo_O

Not saying "that happened"...just a hypothetical post on an evening, ;)
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If only this hypothetical person had listened to the multiple people who advised the to own up to the truth. Horses and water...

Or if only they had the integrity not to prevaricate in the first place...
 
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SurferLucas said:
I've always wondered what would happen to someone's career if they...
A - Lied on their application
B - Claimed to "own up to it in the interview", when that didn't happen
C - Proclaimed "I flew the 175 at Skywest for 3 years"
D - Got found out and shown the door, for lying.

o_Oo_Oo_O

Not saying "that happened"...just a hypothetical post on an evening, ;)
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"Do you have an interest in a management position?"

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SurferLucas said:
I've always wondered what would happen to someone's career if they...
A - Lied on their application
B - Claimed to "own up to it in the interview", when that didn't happen
C - Proclaimed "I flew the 175 at Skywest for 3 years"
D - Got found out and shown the door, for lying.

o_Oo_Oo_O

Not saying "that happened"...just a hypothetical post on an evening, ;)
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Did they sit reserve from the jumpseat of an Atlas 74 enroute to South America, too?
 
Hacker15e said:
IMHO the entire point of matriculation into college is to teach students to navigate large, inefficient bureaucracies.
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I must admit that that my transfer of knowledge from college to airline is woefully inadequate for me, I always got the classes I wanted by "hacking" the punch card system (with the assistance of MIS majors) and the drop/add with help from professors I knew, but PBS and SAP is kicking my ass.
 
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