Copying United

Why is it such a big deal to take a narrow body there? The flight time from the west coast to Hawaii is the same from the east coast to the west coast, and we do it every day filled to the brim with 180+ pax on our 321's. In fact our PHL-SFO flight is scheduled around 6:15 in the winter time, from LAX-HNL it's around 6:00.

Last night we had an alternate, 190 pax (4 infants) an additional 300 mile routing extension to go way north above this horrific Jetstream, and still had 3000 lbs of fuel we could've added, and landed with 11.0 which was ~4.5 more than we needed. Said another way, we could've added over and extra hour of flying time if needed even with the alternate.

Passenger comfort wise the Airbus A321 > Boeing 737 by a decent margin, IMO.
 
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Then what is DL going to use the 757 for?



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Well, I wouldn't say we're "starting" service to Hawaii, been going there for years, but if you mean copying a bad decision to replace 757s with 737s, then yes, I guess we are copying you.

Damn man, even I felt that one! GET IN THAT ASS!
 
Why is it such a big deal to take a narrow body there? The flight time from the west coast to Hawaii is the same from the east coast to the west coast, and we do it every day filled to the brim with 180+ pax on our 321's. In fact our PHL-SFO flight is scheduled around 6:15 in the winter time, from LAX-HNL it's around 6:00.

Last night we had an alternate, 190 pax (4 infants) an additional 300 mile routing extension to go way north above this horrific Jetstream, and still had 3000 lbs of fuel we could've added, and landed with 11.0 which was ~4.5 more than we needed. Said another way, we could've added over and extra hour of flying time if needed even with the alternate.

Passenger comfort wise the Airbus A321 > Boeing 737 by a decent margin, IMO.
The occasional tech stop could get tricky mid way to Hawaii.
 
Why is it such a big deal to take a narrow body there? The flight time from the west coast to Hawaii is the same from the east coast to the west coast, and we do it every day filled to the brim with 180+ pax on our 321's..

Fuel requirements for island alternates and ETOPS fuel requirements are a lot different than flying JFK-LAX so you end up needing quite a bit more. Changes the dynamic a lot.
 
If a plane is ETOPS certified, does that mean that it can glide a farther distance with a dual engine failure? I'm just wondering why the planes that go to HNL have to be ETOPS.
 
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