Continental UAL to merge

jtrain609 said:
I used to think regional expansion was a bad thing, but you know what? If mainline pilots want to farm out work, who am I to stop them?
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What are you talking about? Stop who? Scope will be tightned majority of mainline are looking to restrict regional operations now. And yes.......... regional expansion is STILL a bad thing.
 
Socal321 said:
What are you talking about? Stop who? Scope will be tightned majority of mainline are looking to restrict regional operations now. And yes.......... regional expansion is STILL a bad thing.
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If we can get paid the same, then it's not bad.

The problem is US.

Read that again.

US.

Look in the mirror.

WE ARE THE PROBLEM, not the guys management guys.

Until we stop trying to make the problem external we're hosed.
 
I've averaged around $8K my first 3 months back on reserve as a CA I wouldn't say that pay is peanuts.
 
jtrain609 said:
If we can get paid the same, then it's not bad.

The problem is US.

Read that again.

US.

Look in the mirror.

WE ARE THE PROBLEM, not the guys management guys.

Until we stop trying to make the problem external we're hosed.
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But you can never be paid the same as them, you are the lowest bidder, they are the contractee. You can keep saying that you'll get your lowly paid RJs and that mainline will give into management, doesn't mean that it'll happen. In actuality, both CAL and UA unions, are taking steps to make sure that scope at least stays where it is or even become more restrictive. People are saying that pilots haven't learned much from the previous scope concessions and that they'll be bought, I wouldn't bet on it this time.
 
jtrain609 said:
In the case of Southwest, the difference is around 87 seats.

Paid on a per seat basis, ExpressJet pays better than Continental when comparing 737-900 rates against EMB-145 rates at 10 year captain.

Continental - 173 seats on the 737-900, pay is $167 per hour, and the company pays you $0.96 per seat per hour that you operate.

ExpressJet - 50 seats on the EMB-145, pay us $80 per hour, and the company pays you $1.60 per seat per hour that you operate.

If Continental had that rate for 173 seats, so 173 * $1.60, then the hourly rate would be $276.80 per hour.

The problem is the number of seats, not the pay rate itself. If we're paid by the number of seats, then ExpressJet is paid MORE PER SEAT than Continental.

We need to lose this attitude of thinking a 50 seat jet should pay the same amount as a 173 seat jet. If we want more money, then the airplane needs to make more number, and it needs more seats.
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An astute post. Why doesn't ALPA stop negotiating a rate per plane and simply negotiate very hard for a pay rate per seat? That would be interesting. Seniority would still dictate how many seats you fly, but if ALPA could somehow create a pay scale based upon number of seats and individual airlines could negotiate around that number then it would be interesting. I know they already do this somewhat - but with the 737's and such "growing" as they have it makes it not so great.


Doug Taylor said:
Worst merged livery ever? Anyone? Anyone?
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I've weighed in on this topic with the only reasonable solution. Varney!
 
You know I always give kudos for the Lufthansa people making some AMAZING corporate kool aid. They should have hired one of them to do their dirty work!
 
Socal321 said:
But you can never be paid the same as them, you are the lowest bidder, they are the contractee. You can keep saying that you'll get your lowly paid RJs and that mainline will give into management, doesn't mean that it'll happen. In actuality, both CAL and UA unions, are taking steps to make sure that scope at least stays where it is or even become more restrictive. People are saying that pilots haven't learned much from the previous scope concessions and that they'll be bought, I wouldn't bet on it this time.
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I've got bad news for you; being that we don't run the companies, we're all contractees.

Our perspective of things in this industry is jacked.
 
Worst livery ever.

Today is my first trip for United Express. So of course they'd announce this. Argh, I thought I was done with Continental for a while. Guess not.
 
I lived in Minneapolis and Northwest turned into Delta. I moved to Houston and Continental turns into United. Perhaps I should move to Seattle now! :)
 
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