Cherokee_Cruiser
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Ask JC Lawson............
Comair to Cease Operations Sept 29
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Ask JC Lawson............
Not likely. People with experience in other industries still can't find jobs right now. The airlines are one of the few industries that are hiring. It's not like there are a ton of non-flying jobs available out there that you can support a family on.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Whoever picks up their 700's and 900's is going to need to hire a bunch of pilots... A lot of guys might end up flying the exact same airframes back at first year pay.
The brainchild behind the RJDC.
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
sucks. Prayers go out for those guys that they can find work.
Sisson2011
Well-Known Member
Whoever picks up their 700's and 900's will likely have too many pilots. I'm sure Delta will give them away at a 2:1 ratio for the 200's. So get 28 700's/900's lose 56 200's, that's a net loss of 28 planes.
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Could DAL fly them? Don't they have a rate for 76 seats???
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Doug, that's not true. Capt. Lawson agreed with a few of the positions taken by the RJDC, but he was never involved with them.
Don, J.C. Lawson was the long-time MEC Chairman at Comair. He stepped down a few years ago, and I believe he recently retired.
Rotor2Wing
Unapologetically American
I don't think there will be many start over at a 121 op. I would bet most will ride out the unemployment benefits before doing anything since its right around year one pay at any regional. Some will go mainline, LCC, and cargo but very very few will start over at another regional. A lot will just retire after unemployment runs out. I think the junior CAs are from the 90s so the CAs will think long and hard before starting at another airline.
Mad Doggy Dog
Well-Known Member
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This ought to give you some idea who J.C. Lawson is:
TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATE: December 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.
The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.
The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:
We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.
Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:
Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.
COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
This is why the regionals should not be a career destination. People's lives thrown away all in the interest in saving a little money. No matter what they say in the weekly emails, the people behind the big expensive desk don't give a crap about you or your family.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
That is assuming it goes to a carrier that already flies 200's for DAL... rumor says it will not.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Yeah........ oops.
Mad Doggy Dog
Well-Known Member
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Not to sound cold hearted, but it's my observation that to the average DL pilot, the senior CMR pilots (the ones who are still left) are associated with the RJDC. And the RJDC are about as welcome as scabs.
A lesson could be learned here with respect to not letting radicals hijack your pilot group or union, but that's another thread.
I will say that I used to be an ALPA rep at Southern Jets. During that time, I had a chance at ALPA's leadership conference to confront a few of the newly elected reps at CMR and ASA. I asked them point blank if they supported the RJDC, and more importantly whether or not their MECs supported it directly or more likely in an indirect "wink wink nudge nudge" manner. Of course they all said no. I told them that they needed to get that crap under control or else it would end up biting them in the arse.
The sad thing is that if the CMR MEC had played nice with the DL MEC, a flow through agreement would have been in place for about 10 years now and all the CMR guys would not only have had jobs to go to, but higher paying ones.
Oh well....
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Yeah...because flow throughs work wonders! /sarcasm
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Way to hold a grudge while families are suffering. 
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
On one hand, I see the frustration on the side of the Delta pilot group. They wouldn't help you guys during a time of need, so why should you help them. Childish, but I can at least see it.
On the other hand, an MEC is supposed to look out for their own pilot group first. If they didn't think that tripping over themselves to help you guys out was in their best interest...well, that's up to them. "Confronting" their MECs to tell them what you should do sounds rather douchey. Were they in awe of all your buttons?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
The SMART thing to do would be trade them to Skywest or ASA in a 2:1 deal like they did a year or so ago. What they'll probably do is send them to GoJets because they're the cheapest flavor of the month.
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