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College Degree Overrated

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To tell you the truth. I could really give a flip if I made it to the majors....degree or not. I would be happy knowing all my bills were paid and my family and I had full stomachs. You can have that without a college degree. Don't let people tell you that you cannot make cash without one...plenty of lifetime Regional Airline pilots are making well over 90k a year with plenty of time left.

However, some people need college to mature and get down basic thinking fundamentals. It's up to you and how far you want to go. I tend to agree with johnnyb and think FL270's comment is absolutely idiotic (but he apologized and that shows maturity). You don't need to go to college to be smart my friend.

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This is correct - completely.

There are regional captains who make 90k+ a year. They have more than 7 years seniority, or they are training captains, IOE, etc.

College doesn't make anyone smart. I do not see IQ points being affected by sitting and listening to college professors. Particularly in liberal arts schools. Think about it - who would want to learn economics from college professors, who make about 45k a year, and had to get doctorates to make that? That doesn't demonstrate "smart" to me!

College degrees are overrated. They are designed to help you get a "better job." I am sad to see that the "job mentality" has taken over America. JOB stands for Just Over Broke. I'd like to see more college emphasis on business ownership, entrepreneurs and contracting. Only law schools teach about contracts. Businessmen need to know how to read contracts.

I'm amazed at how many people in my business look at a simple contract and say "I can't read this, you need a lawyer to read this!"
 
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To tell you the truth. I could really give a flip if I made it to the majors....degree or not. I would be happy knowing all my bills were paid and my family and I had full stomachs. You can have that without a college degree. Don't let people tell you that you cannot make cash without one...plenty of lifetime Regional Airline pilots are making well over 90k a year with plenty of time left.

However, some people need college to mature and get down basic thinking fundamentals. It's up to you and how far you want to go. I tend to agree with johnnyb and think FL270's comment is absolutely idiotic (but he apologized and that shows maturity). You don't need to go to college to be smart my friend.

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This is correct - completely.

There are regional captains who make 90k+ a year. They have more than 7 years seniority, or they are training captains, IOE, etc.

College doesn't make anyone smart. I do not see IQ points being affected by sitting and listening to college professors. Particularly in liberal arts schools. Think about it - who would want to learn economics from college professors, who make about 45k a year, and had to get doctorates to make that? That doesn't demonstrate "smart" to me!

College degrees are overrated. They are designed to help you get a "better job." I am sad to see that the "job mentality" has taken over America. JOB stands for Just Over Broke. I'd like to see more college emphasis on business ownership, entrepreneurs and contracting. Only law schools teach about contracts. Businessmen need to know how to read contracts.

I'm amazed at how many people in my business look at a simple contract and say "I can't read this, you need a lawyer to read this!"

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I am still LMAO. That has to be in the top 5 of the most true AND funniest paragraphs I have read in the entire year.
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To tell you the truth. I could really give a flip if I made it to the majors....degree or not. I would be happy knowing all my bills were paid and my family and I had full stomachs. You can have that without a college degree. Don't let people tell you that you cannot make cash without one...plenty of lifetime Regional Airline pilots are making well over 90k a year with plenty of time left.

However, some people need college to mature and get down basic thinking fundamentals. It's up to you and how far you want to go. I tend to agree with johnnyb and think FL270's comment is absolutely idiotic (but he apologized and that shows maturity). You don't need to go to college to be smart my friend.

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This is correct - completely.

There are regional captains who make 90k+ a year. They have more than 7 years seniority, or they are training captains, IOE, etc.

College doesn't make anyone smart. I do not see IQ points being affected by sitting and listening to college professors. Particularly in liberal arts schools. Think about it - who would want to learn economics from college professors, who make about 45k a year, and had to get doctorates to make that? That doesn't demonstrate "smart" to me!

College degrees are overrated. They are designed to help you get a "better job." I am sad to see that the "job mentality" has taken over America. JOB stands for Just Over Broke. I'd like to see more college emphasis on business ownership, entrepreneurs and contracting. Only law schools teach about contracts. Businessmen need to know how to read contracts.

I'm amazed at how many people in my business look at a simple contract and say "I can't read this, you need a lawyer to read this!"

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I think it is sad that Americans think this is what the college degree is for. A college degree is for personal growth. It is just a waypoint along a lifetime of learning and growing. Sure, college does not make you "smart." It provides the building blocks for an individual to become an educated person, and to continue on the path to leading "the good life."

Sure, there are degrees out there that merely train someone to get a job, but that is not educational training, that is vocational training. To suggest that a college degree does not intrinsic value demonstrates a general lack of understanding of what education is all about.

An educated person can do anything they want. They have the critical thinking skills necessary to succeed where they apply themselves. Give me a philosophy major any day over a business or marketing major. Liberal arts majors have spent the time to know where they stand in life, and they have the thinking skills to learn how to do whatever it is that their employers want them to do.

As far as people not going to college at all, I think they are at a major disadvantage, and are doing themselves a disservice. They are missing out first of all on four great years of developing themselves and defining who they are. The social aspect of college cannot be overrated. In addition, they are missing out on the intellectual discipline and time management skills that are honed through the college years. Forget what major they are, if they are in college, and are at all serious about their studies, then they will acquire skills that cannot be achieved in any other way.

I hate the pig-headed view that Americans have developed towards education.

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I agree with that you say.

College has become more of an employee factory than a think tank.
 
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I think it is sad that Americans think this is what the college degree is for. A college degree is for personal growth. It is just a waypoint along a lifetime of learning and growing. Sure, college does not make you "smart." It provides the building blocks for an individual to become an educated person, and to continue on the path to leading "the good life."

Sure, there are degrees out there that merely train someone to get a job, but that is not educational training, that is vocational training. To suggest that a college degree does not intrinsic value demonstrates a general lack of understanding of what education is all about.

An educated person can do anything they want. They have the critical thinking skills necessary to succeed where they apply themselves. Give me a philosophy major any day over a business or marketing major. Liberal arts majors have spent the time to know where they stand in life, and they have the thinking skills to learn how to do whatever it is that their employers want them to do.

As far as people not going to college at all, I think they are at a major disadvantage, and are doing themselves a disservice. They are missing out first of all on four great years of developing themselves and defining who they are. The social aspect of college cannot be overrated. In addition, they are missing out on the intellectual discipline and time management skills that are honed through the college years. Forget what major they are, if they are in college, and are at all serious about their studies, then they will acquire skills that cannot be achieved in any other way.

I hate the pig-headed view that Americans have developed towards education.


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Puh-lease!!!!
Just like everything else in life, college doesn't guarantee anything. You get what you want out of it. I'm not for or against going to college, why, because I see dumb-dumbs with college degrees as much as I see dumb-dumbs without the degree. The only disservice being done are employers and people that gauge success and ability with a degree.
 
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The only disservice being done are employers and people that gauge success and ability with a degree.

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I think that a degree will reflect a person's ability more often than it won't. There are some exceptions, but not many.

What you're saying sounds almost like "I don't wear seatbelts because I had a cousin that was crushed when he couldn't get his off..."

OK, so it's possible.
 
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That's what a college degree is worth.

There's your market value.

Any questions?
 
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The only disservice being done are employers and people that gauge success and ability with a degree.

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I think that a degree will reflect a person's ability more often than it won't. There are some exceptions, but not many.

What you're saying sounds almost like "I don't wear seatbelts because I had a cousin that was crushed when he couldn't get his off..."

OK, so it's possible.

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Definitely not saying that. I prefer to focus on what a person wants to do and what route would be most beneficial. College isn't for everybody and everybody isn't for college. My main point is that a degree shouldn't be the gauge for intellectual status, success, or ability.
You can tell alot more by past work history, talking, mannerisms, etc.
 
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You can tell alot more by past work history, talking, mannerisms, etc.

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That may be true, but you can't figure that out in 15 minutes of an interview. Nor can you interview everyone that apply's for a job. Having a college degree gives someone more a known quality. And quite honestly, if someone decides that college isn't for them then who's to say ground school and recurrent training are for them either?

And thanks to philosophy pilot for posting what I was having a hard time coming up with saying.
 
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You can tell alot more by past work history, talking, mannerisms, etc.

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That may be true, but you can't figure that out in 15 minutes of an interview. Nor can you interview everyone that apply's for a job. Having a college degree gives someone more a known quality.

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Hopefully, the interviewer looks for a stable work history and skills before interviewing
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And quite honestly, if someone decides that college isn't for them then who's to say ground school and recurrent training are for them either?

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That is up to the person to decide. Neither college nor tech school will decide if it's for them. That's like saying, just because you don't go to college, you can't possibly sit in meetings.

Like I said, I'm neither for or against so let me shut up
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Hopefully, the interviewer looks for a stable work history and skills before interviewing
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How can the interviewer evaluate skills? By what's written on paper?

A college degree proves, if nothing else, that you have been exposed to more than high school..

A person that graduates college with a 2.0 GPA has proven that they are capable of more than just high school-level work.
 
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I was gonna keep quiet.....keyword=was

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How can the interviewer evaluate skills?

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Skills not listed is a big no-no anyway, that should be there. As much as people lie about skills they lie about education. I got my degree in Computer Science from blah-blah-blah. OK, but can you do the job? Are you proven in the workplace? In my book, college degree may be cool for entry-level, other than that it don't mean squat because you should have real-work experience.
In fact, hire someone just looking at what type of degree they have. That really doesn't say if they can do the job or not. Depending on the job it may indicate they are trained for the job, but other than that..............
 
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Degree or not, you're competing for people WITH degrees for many jobs. I'll ask my 'source' when I get a chance, but I'm afraid you guys'll just want to argue!
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Degree or not, you're competing for people WITH degrees for many jobs. I'll ask my 'source' when I get a chance, but I'm afraid you guys'll just want to argue!
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[/ QUOTE ]Argue? US?!? Surely you have mistaken us for the rabble at some other website.
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Philosopher-dude, you said it better than I ever could have. Thank you.

I'd add one thought on the benefit of having a college degree to getting a job that doesn't involve the phrase, "Would you like fries with that?" -- 99% of the people who will be making hiring decisions will have a college degree themselves. Whether you agree with it or not, what do you suppose their attitude towards a college education is going to be?

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Like it or not, love it or hate it, agree, disagree....whatever....A COLLEGE DEGREE WILL OPEN DOORS FOR YOU THAT WOULD BE CLOSED OTHERWISE - PERIOD!

you can't argue with that.
 
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Here's the way I look at it: As most of you know, preparing for pilots' licenses involves A LOT of studying, determination, and perseverance. Obtaining a four-year degree underlies those qualities, and that's part of the reason the majors require it; they want to hire someone who realizes what it takes to become an airline pilot.

BTW, if you don't like to study, think carefully before embarking on this career. My former instructor's father is a 747 Captain, and he was told that airline pilots (over the course of their career) learn the equivalent of SEVEN Master's Degrees!

Get a pot of coffee on!!
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Like it or not, love it or hate it, agree, disagree....whatever....A COLLEGE DEGREE WILL OPEN DOORS FOR YOU THAT WOULD BE CLOSED OTHERWISE - PERIOD!

you can't argue with that.

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I agree completely.

But, don't make the mistake of thinking that a colection of pieces of paper hanging on the wall equals intelligence.

Many people who graduate from college (even in the top of their class) are nothing more than "parots". They absoarb information and can reguritate the proper canned answers.

This does not equal intelligence, but it does equal good grades.
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I think it is sad that Americans think this is what the college degree is for. A college degree is for personal growth. It is just a waypoint along a lifetime of learning and growing. Sure, college does not make you "smart." It provides the building blocks for an individual to become an educated person, and to continue on the path to leading "the good life."

Sure, there are degrees out there that merely train someone to get a job, but that is not educational training, that is vocational training. To suggest that a college degree does not intrinsic value demonstrates a general lack of understanding of what education is all about.

An educated person can do anything they want. They have the critical thinking skills necessary to succeed where they apply themselves. Give me a philosophy major any day over a business or marketing major. Liberal arts majors have spent the time to know where they stand in life, and they have the thinking skills to learn how to do whatever it is that their employers want them to do.

As far as people not going to college at all, I think they are at a major disadvantage, and are doing themselves a disservice. They are missing out first of all on four great years of developing themselves and defining who they are. The social aspect of college cannot be overrated. In addition, they are missing out on the intellectual discipline and time management skills that are honed through the college years. Forget what major they are, if they are in college, and are at all serious about their studies, then they will acquire skills that cannot be achieved in any other way.

I hate the pig-headed view that Americans have developed towards education.

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Outstanding post!

College is what you make it. If you go into the process with motivation, an open mind and a sense of curiosity about the world around you, your mind will be nourished in ways that you never expected. This will have powerful repercussions for the way you live your life, make important decisions, and deal with people and complex situations. But if you go into the process just to get a piece of paper handed to you after 4 years, you will lose out on the intellectual benefits. It's all about your attitude and motivation to learn. I think that people who fall into the former catetgory will advocate college as a process of personal developement, whereas those who fall into the latter category will look back on college as a painful and costly 4-year ordeal that was somehow forced on them by society (or the job market).

We all know some college graduates who aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. It's possible to get a degree without having learned tons of information or having used your mind as critically as most people would assume. For those who just want to "fill the square" on the application without exercising your brain too much, there are ways to do that. Those what want to fill the square and also challenge themselves...they will do so because they are motivated and compelled to do so. When exposed to the college envornment, I believe that the curious mind will expand by leaps and bounds but the unmotivated mind will gain little except the title of "collge graduate" and possibly a bitter attitude.

I went to college for over a year after high school, then I dropped out and joined the military. I don't think I was mentally poised to learn in the college environment, and I didn't realize the importance and significance of higher learning at that point. After 4 years of service I jumped right back into school and ended up graduating with honors. I had experience and perspective when I went back, and this was important; it wasn't until after I graduated that I fully realized how I had changed.

Get a degree, whoever you are. For those who are merely trying to compete in the job market, the degree is key nowadays. For those who want to compete in the market and also expand your mind, the degree will be an opportunity to not only compete in the market but also challenge yourself and develop yourself.
 
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But, don't make the mistake of thinking that a colection of pieces of paper hanging on the wall equals intelligence.


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Exactly, that is all I ever implied and didn't say otherwise. But like so many other "conversations" it snowballs into something entirely different LMAO!!!!
 
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I thought the subject of the thread was on College Degrees now its a Million Dollars. What would you do with a million dollars? I'd tell you what I'd do man, two chicks at the same time.
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But would the two chicks chose the guy with the college degree or without......?
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