College Degree needed for Commerical Airline Pilot

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270, personal attack? What are you talking about?
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I was simply reacting to your ridiculous and arrogant statement. Hey we all make 'em from time to time, you just need to be ABLE to take it when someone gives their opinion back. That's all it was. I don't know you and have no desire to personally attack you. I bluntly responded to your statement.

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If you want to be an ignorant hack for the rest of your life, skip college. Otherwise, GO. College is not just about checking a box so you can sit in the pointy end of the jet. There's a lot of life you live outside of work and being a well-rounded, well-educated individual is critical.


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It's an idiotic and insulting statement to some. I just call 'em like I see 'em man. To tell you the truth, for the most part, over the past few years I've been nothing but impressed with your character and knowledge.
 
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Any college degree is useful. All you have to do is look at the lifetime earnings of those with and without them.

The average earnings of a college grad are about a million bucks more than those without them. Of course, there are exceptions. Bill Gates doesn't have one, and he's worth, well, whatever he's worth.

But for every Bill Gates, I can point you to hundreds if not thousands of people who are stuck in dead end jobs.
 
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I dropped out of college at 20. I was a complete screw-up. Young, stupid, and so immature it was pathetic. (Not that every 20 year old, or every college dropout is pathetic and immature, just saying I was!)

Eagle gave me a chance (to this day I still don't know why), and thanks to my experience there 'grew up' and found my calling! But it haunted me for years that I had dropped out of school. I finally completed my degree about a year and a half ago. It has served no professional purpose (yet), but I have the satisfaction of having it! Also, when/if I re-enter the job market, that's one advantage I may have over other canidates who did NOT finish college.
 
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If you want to be an ignorant hack for the rest of your life, skip college. Otherwise, GO. College is not just about checking a box so you can sit in the pointy end of the jet. There's a lot of life you live outside of work and being a well-rounded, well-educated individual is critical.

Sorry, I'm pretty passionate about this one.

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I don't have a degree. I have a bunch of college credit that I just haven't "assembled" into a degree yet. Its not by choice...I just made a dumb decision (*couch* ERAU *cough*), and the consequences are, its going to take me longer to finish since I can't do it full-time anymore.

I definitely don't consider myself (or my father, or anyone else who has been successful without a degree) an "ignorant hack." To call someone that simply because they don't have some silly piece of paper is a pretty broad generalization, and ignorant in itself ("hey, Pot..its me, the Kettle..."). You don't know the life experiences, or even college experiences of the people you consider "ignorant hacks." Besides, there are PLENTY of ignorant people with degrees out there.
 
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I was a complete screw-up. Young, stupid, and so immature it was pathetic.

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Don't feel bad. So was I.

It's a common condition. It's called being 20 years old.

Hell, when I was 20 years old, the only thing I cared about was doing enough to get passing grades and then heading on down to do a little bar hopping. How I managed to graduate, I'll never know.
 
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Doug, thanks for the compliment, man.

Sean, sorry if I took offense. And to those I may have offended, sorry as well. The attitude that bothers me is the attitude of "just let me do enough to get by" and "please dear God don't make me LEARN if it isn't absolutely necessary". These people are the "ignorant hacks" to whom I refer.

Obviously, there have been successful people (i.e. Bill Gates, Rush Limbaugh, others) who haven't completed a college degree. However, I believe two things ... first, that doing that now is harder than it was years ago (a point I believe Kingairer made quite well). Second, that as Tony said, people who do that are the exception rather than the rule. Finally, as has been often stated around here, even those aviation jobs which do not *require* a degree, *strongly recommend* one. So, if not having it doesn't get you shoved out of the "call" pile altogether, it'll definitely get you pushed to the bottom. This business is competitive as hell ... why handicap yourself even a little bit when you can seize the opportunity at a young age to make yourself far more marketable? To say nothing of the fact that *most* people need a few years of seasoning before they fall headlong in to the rush to reach the real world ... believe me, I know that of which I speak. I thought I knew everything at 18 (actually, according to my parents, I thought I knew everything at 8), but college taught me how clueless I was about a lot of things ... and gave me a chance to learn my lessons. Trust me, learning to manually calculate RNAV solutions was not the true benefit of my college education. Nor is "Principles of Macroeconomic Theory" going to be someone else's. Life lessons, my friends.
 
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Some college degrees are pretty easy, but don't qualify you to flip burgers in McDonalds.

Art History, General Studdies, Political Science, Ect.


Some degrees are very difficult, but are required to work in that field.

Enginering, Pre Med/Pre Law, Buisness, Ect.


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I just want to point out that political science, sociology, philsophy and english are all widly accepted pre-law programs. You can't get a degree in pre-law.

With that, I'd like to point out something about your statement that bugs the crap out of me; that liberal arts degree's are easy and worthless. That kind of insinuation is dead wrong, and most people would never be able to finish my degree program. In fact I failed my first philosophy course after getting all A's in my aviation courses; including physics. You can't imagine the amount of work that goes into some of these liberal arts degree's. And they are as you pointed out (and in the same breathe contradicted), pre-law majors.
 
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I'll agree with that....I think liberal arts degree's are actually harder because you're required to really think critically and come up with your own in depth ideas on a subject. It's not just solving mathmatical problems and memorizing definitions like a lot of the BS degrees. A liberal arts degree also requires a tremendous amount of writing. I've written 20 times as many papers as my engineering buddy.

I sure didn't think it was easy.
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I also agree, I Majored in both Business and History, and Business was without a doubt easier, the exams were all multiple choice, accounting and finance courses were more involved, but didn't involve long hours of reading and writing.
 
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I didn't mean to imply that they were easy (many are quite difficult), just that having a degree in Poly Sci dosen't make you better qualified to be a airline pilot.

Areonautical/mechanical enginering is a diffrent matter.


Whenever I am able to get back to school, I inttend to take classes that are outside of my experiances. Art, Poly Sci, foreign language (I really want to learn Spanish), Buisnes, ect. Mainly because I don't know much about these areas and wish to learn.

I plan to major in Buisness, which should help me run whatever small buisness I decide to pursue. However if I don't finish the degree, I'll be just as inteligent as I always have been.
 
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I think liberal arts degree's are actually harder because you're required to really think critically and come up with your own in depth ideas on a subject.

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Ohhh, but why do I need to create my own ideas when TV and Liddy have already given me some ideas??
 
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To tell you the truth. I could really give a flip if I made it to the majors....degree or not. I would be happy knowing all my bills were paid and my family and I had full stomachs. You can have that without a college degree. Don't let people tell you that you cannot make cash without one...plenty of lifetime Regional Airline pilots are making well over 90k a year with plenty of time left.

However, some people need college to mature and get down basic thinking fundamentals. It's up to you and how far you want to go. I tend to agree with johnnyb and think FL270's comment is absolutely idiotic (but he apologized and that shows maturity). You don't need to go to college to be smart my friend.

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plenty of lifetime Regional Airline pilots are making well over 90k a year with plenty of time left.



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I don't know about that statement....Wih the current pay rates it would take about 18-20 years at a regional to make close to 90K!


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You don't need to go to college to be smart my friend.



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You may not need it but it's certainly helpful. You'll just know that much more than the non college educated guy.
 
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You'll just know that much more than the non college educated guy.


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That's the most incorrect statement in this entire thread. Totally untrue.
 
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"To tell you the truth. I could really give a flip if I made it to the majors...."

Then you're a good canidate for the no-degree option.
 
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"To tell you the truth. I could really give a flip if I made it to the majors...."

Then you're a good canidate for the no-degree option.

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You'll just know that much more than the non college educated guy.


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That's the most incorrect statement in this entire thread. Totally untrue.

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How is it incorrect?

I know a helluva lot more about a broad range of topics than all my friends that didn't attend college.
 
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I am the smartest person in the world. End of Story.
 
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I am the smartest person in the world. End of Story.

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Nuh-uhh! My mother is smarter than your mother....
 
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