Colgan's anti Alpa Campaign

Not to throw stones here...

But even if the Q, or future Q's went to the 9e side... who would do the training? I wouldn't be half surprised to see very "Colgan" Colgan pilots doing the training. Do you thing it would be past PT and BC to issue a standing fail order? I don't. I'm not saying they would... but i doubt either are graceful losers, and will play dirty till the end.

I am pretty sure the only people concerned with types and property sides right now are the guys trying to keep them apart.

For the guys at the bottom of the list at Colgan, DOH, 2/1 etc, any of those will pretty much put you in the same percentage of the list. managment is playing the percentage number to the guys at the top 1/2 - 1/3 at colgan... and i hope at this point people are coming to terms with the idea that it's not going to get better soon waiting to be #1 on the list here. The #2,3 and 4 guys take it equally as hard.
 
I guess while many people get entierly wrapped up in the alpa/no alpa drive, Colgan will no matter what the outcome of the vote, still be colgan.

As many have pointed out, it will be / is no longer the colgan that the top 50% grew to know when they got hired. If the vote fails, Colgan is not going to fall into immeadiate chaos, the out stations will not dry up over night, senior folks will enjoy being home every nigth etc.

Honestly, Colgan will still be a viable option for many, so long as they choose carefully. If you live in houston, and are willing to waite to get there, being home almost every night is excellent. That is worth more than money to lots of people.

If the vote passes, all that will not change immeadiatly either. Yes, we will loose the flexibility and favors... (which seem like F your buddy passes from football, hockey etc), but we already have. we don't get "helped" out unless we bend over and doubble stuff right now it seems.

The people pushing for alpa don't want to burn down the doors, or take down managment. They want a say in where this company goes in the future. most that i have talked to, do not want to stick it to managment, rather they are looking for stability, protection, and quality. Working together as pilots to resolve safety issues, whether company, equipment, SOP, or pilot induced. Streamlining operations - how nice would be be to know your schedule more than 2 days beforehand?. With 20 CA's and FO's on reserve in EWR this month... why shouldn't we work out a long call reserve that works for anybody not living in the EWR metro area. We have staffing enough to hold 3or4 on 24 hr call reserve with commuter protection. The company has no incenative to make these changes, which is why barganing would be nice. It looks like at least 3 regular reserves a day in ewr. why not 2 Long calls, 1 regular, 1 hot. open time, and duty issues go to long calls, short notice to long calls first, if unable, then regular and finaly hot etc... I bet you could even get people to do that, say, phond liable mon-thurs, flight ready tues-friday.

As memo change, rules fly, and out the window, having something in writting can one feel much more secure. Lot's of Q guys agree... New FO's are just trying to learn, while CA's are jsut trying not to get fired. trust me, having to worry about every decession you make add's stress.

One way or another, Colgan will continue to be a viable option for pilots, and be a good place to come get some of the best flying experience you will ever have. Just count how many times you have called scheduling, crew pay, HR in the last 3 months to fight for pay, duty issues, or general polocy reasons. wouldn't it be nice to not have to waste those minutes of you life fighting for what should be yours?
 
I would agree with Truck. No one I knew on the ALPA drive (first one) ever wanted to burn down management. They wanted, and I fully believe they still want, to make things better for the pilots. There are larger arguments to be made about the profession as a whole, I've never felt that was the OC's "cause", their cause is the betterment of Colgan pilots QOL.

I left colgan even though I had some great experiences for better pay, alpa, and not having to watch co-workers getting abused anymore (in summary, QOL). Let ALPA bargain you a better QOL at Colgan, there is a LOT of room for improvement.
 
Look, its part and parcel of the whole deal. A Union contract gives you stability and predictability in your pay, work rules. It sets up a grievance procedure. It provides you with outside resources (legal, safety, etc.) that you couldn't hope to pay for on your own.

Management wants to retain the flexibility of keeping your work rules in a loose leaf binder...that way they can change them whenever they want.

The question is...will you believe the "We Are Family" propaganda and trust your professional lives to a group of managers whose agenda is not the same as yours?
 
Ah yes, another unsigned letter "Keeping You Informed!"

November 25, 2008
REMEMBER THE Q400!
Colgan has consistently worked to provide you, the Colgan pilots, with new opportunities through increased work. The ALPA pilots at Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. don’t quite feel the same way about giving you those opportunities.

Remember back to just earlier this year, in February, when our flexibility enabled us to begin service for Continental out of Newark Airport with our new Q400 aircraft, providing new opportunities for 300 employees. How did the ALPA Pinnacle pilots respond?

They picketed. They picketed against your expanding job opportunities in an effort to hurt Colgan’s relationship with Continental. Apparently, they don’t like it when you succeed on what they might think is their turf.

The Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. pilots are working for what they think is best for them. You should vote for what is best for you, which means, if you don’t want ALPA don’t vote.
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Disgusting.
 
sherpa said:
How are the junior FO's feeling about the memo campaign?
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I was in the june 18th class, which I believe is the most junior class able to vote, and I am pretty sure that 6/7 people will be voting in favor of the union.

The way we were treated during training and the transition from training to line was horrible. Plus I tried to educate the guys as much as I could.
 
v1valarob said:
I was in the june 18th class, which I believe is the most junior class able to vote, and I am pretty sure that 6/7 people will be voting in favor of the union.

The way we were treated during training and the transition from training to line was horrible. Plus I tried to educate the guys as much as I could.
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My class is not eligible for the vote... funny how that worked out..... but I am here to support y'all.:nana2::nana2::nana2::nana2:
 
sherpa said:
How are the junior FO's feeling about the memo campaign?
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I don't like it one bit..... If ALPA were doing the same I wouldn't think too highly of them. Why is mgt. trying to convince people at the last minute when they had a year to do so?
 
i am in the "not allowed to vote" group and i recieved voting instructions int he mail. i had my old man open it up and give me my sign in info and voted. my vote better count if it comes down to single digits again.
 
amorris311 said:
i am in the "not allowed to vote" group and i recieved voting instructions int he mail. i had my old man open it up and give me my sign in info and voted. my vote better count if it comes down to single digits again.
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What the deuce?! Well.... it must be ok.... they know what they are doing.:rawk:
 
amorris311 said:
i am in the "not allowed to vote" group and i recieved voting instructions int he mail. i had my old man open it up and give me my sign in info and voted. my vote better count if it comes down to single digits again.
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Hmmmm Doesnt give me much confidence in the whole process. How up to date is the list that the NMB has? If my class is the last class to be eligible to vote, there should be 454 seniority # holders able to vote.
 
v1valarob said:
Hmmmm Doesnt give me much confidence in the whole process. How up to date is the list that the NMB has? If my class is the last class to be eligible to vote, there should be 454 seniority # holders able to vote.
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so we need 228 people to vote then?
 
The people in Amorris class where included in the list the company provided to the NMB even though they weren't line qualified pilots at the time the cards were filed.

ALPA has filed a motion to remove them from voting, however they still had ballots mailed to them. 99 percent sure their votes WILL NOT count. We suggest they vote and then the NMB can remove them later on.
 
i would say 95% of them. there were a couple that i didnt talk to about the situation. the rest were all on board.
 
According to ALPA, and I agree with them because they have been doing this for longer than we have been alive, is you don't want guys not off high mins having to worry about voting for a union. Plus you guys were not line qualified the day we filed.

Your support is needed and PLEASE vote, yet please don't get pissed if your vote is thrown out.
 
anyways, you don't want to give the company anything to dispute if it is close. last thing ALPA wants is CJC filing an appeal due to "ill eagle" votes


EDIT: I love when spell check steps in, and replaces illegal with a sick bird.

"illegal" votes is what was meant
 
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