Colgan fatigue policy?

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Otherguys said:
Ahh yes.... the kinder Colgan:

Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:

1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.

*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.
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Taken from another board.

Is that really the new policy? That doesn't seem right.
 
Soooo glad I'm no longer working there. I got static for calling fatigue after a standup that was approaching 16 hours. There was no way I was letting my crew keep going though.
 
I know it sound harsh, but they have been having some fake fatigue calls that seem to be legitamate concerns. For instance reserves are calling to be released and when denied they call out fatigued before the commute they were trying to catch. You can still call out fatigued, just have a legitmate reason. I asked Seggy and he said nothing really has changed they are just trying to crack down on people screwing them over. Just the other night a fa called fatigued then was dancing around the crewroom socializing instead of going home afterwards and sleeping. This makes my blood boils as I take calling in fatigued very seriously and want it to be a legitimate option if one day I really am fatigued. Also no part 91 flights anymore after 121 duty days that's been gone since the summer I believe.

I hate to Ct like I'm sticking with Colgan management on this one, but I hate that people abuse fatigue calls even more.
 
Well. I'm just an outsider looking in. We had one guy do that at Mesaba but it was handled a lot differently and it hasn't been an issue later. Of course our contract protects us past 15 hours to begin with, that may make a difference.
 
L-16B said:
I know it sound harsh, but they have been having some fake fatigue calls that seem to be legitamate concerns. For instance reserves are calling to be released and when denied they call out fatigued before the commute they were trying to catch. You can still call out fatigued, just have a legitmate reason. I asked Seggy and he said nothing really has changed they are just trying to crack down on people screwing them over. Just the other night a fa called fatigued then was dancing around the crewroom socializing instead of going home afterwards and sleeping. This makes my blood boils as I take calling in fatigued very seriously and want it to be a legitimate option if one day I really am fatigued. Also no part 91 flights anymore after 121 duty days that's been gone since the summer I believe.

I hate to Ct like I'm sticking with Colgan management on this one, but I hate that people abuse fatigue calls even more.
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Typical Pinnacle Corp. Have a few guys abuse the policy, and instead of punishing the few, they go after everyone. It's sorta like "If you talk, the whole class is gonna stay inside for recess" in 1st grade. See our "you must bring a doctor's note to call in sick on Christmas/New Years/Thanksgiving/Super Bowl Sunday." I'm honestly surprised they don't have a list of everyone's birthdays with a standing rule that you have to have a doctor's note to call in sick on your birthday. Crap. They read this board. Now they will.....
 
L-16B said:
I know it sound harsh, but they have been having some fake fatigue calls that seem to be legitamate concerns. For instance reserves are calling to be released and when denied they call out fatigued before the commute they were trying to catch. You can still call out fatigued, just have a legitmate reason. I asked Seggy and he said nothing really has changed they are just trying to crack down on people screwing them over. Just the other night a fa called fatigued then was dancing around the crewroom socializing instead of going home afterwards and sleeping. This makes my blood boils as I take calling in fatigued very seriously and want it to be a legitimate option if one day I really am fatigued. Also no part 91 flights anymore after 121 duty days that's been gone since the summer I believe.

I hate to Ct like I'm sticking with Colgan management on this one, but I hate that people abuse fatigue calls even more.
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This may be the reason but it's the attitude this policy sets with the crews. They are now fearful to call in fatigued when they really should not be flying. There are much better ways to handle the few who are abusing. Just another example of the poor culture at Colgan.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Originally Posted by Otherguys
Ahh yes.... the kinder Colgan:

Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:

1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.

*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.
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Uhhh, Doesn't the crew that crashed and killed everyone fit into the above categories #1 and #2????????????????????

What a piece of crap company.. I would tell them to shuv it and quit if they didn't like it.. After I made sure the media and the families of 3407 got ahold of it of course.. No way I would work for a place like that. Period.

"If" this is even true.. which I don't know how it possibly could be after recent events.

I have fatigued after situations #1, 2, and 3..for legitimate reasons.. No sleep is no sleep.. I don't care what the company says.
 
One of our other reserve CAs has had a sick kid and had to take care of them on his days off. He came up to me the other day and asked if we'd get in trouble for calling in fatigued if we were off the day before. Just looking at him I could tell he was zonked and in really no condition to fly. The above policy WOULD make it "bad" for us to do so. But, flying fatigued would be illegal. I told him "If you're tired, you're tired. If they don't like it, call the FAA and tell them you're being pushed."
 
At Eagle.. I wasn't given a move day for a base change.. So I had 1 day off to move from SLC to ORD.. which is a 20 hr drive straight through.

I pleaded with crew sched during my 20 hr drive not too give me 4am reserve, told them the situation as I was due to arrive in Chicago at 5am, told them to give me something at night.

Of course those morons gave me 4am reserve.. just as I was about an hour outside of Chicago (on hour 20 of my nonstop drive) they called at exactly 4:01 am to tell me to sit ready reserve at 6am..

I just laughed and said nooooooope! Fatigued.. She said, NO WAY thats too bad, you can't be fatigued yet.. you just had a day off.. I said- look lady I don't know what your problem is but I have been driving for 20 straight hours on my 1 day off to get here because the geniuses at the company refused to switch my days off and give me time to move! I told you this yesterday.. and I am still an hour outside the airport! No way am I safe to fly, let alone drive at this point. Goodbye. Click.

They sent the voice recording to the CP office.. He called at 7am.. laughed and said don't worry about it.. fatigue and missed assignment is removed, get some sleep.. The scheduler also got in trouble for what she said.

Point is, you never know whats going on on peoples day off.
 
Shocking. If indeed true.

Was 3407 really that long ago that they can get away with this?! Can anybody confirm this is actually policy?
 
I have a feeling that commenting that this is indeed true, would cause someone at Colgan to be reprimanded. Wonder why none of us Colganites have spoken up? :-)
 
RPM;1374777[B said:
]Uhhh, Doesn't the crew that crashed and killed everyone fit into the above categories #1 and #2????????????????????[/B]

What a piece of crap company.. I would tell them to shuv it and quit if they didn't like it.. After I made sure the media and the families of 3407 got ahold of it of course.. No way I would work for a place like that. Period.

"If" this is even true.. which I don't know how it possibly could be after recent events.

I have fatigued after situations #1, 2, and 3..for legitimate reasons.. No sleep is no sleep.. I don't care what the company says.
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Yes, it does apply to the 3407 crew, and they could have called out fatigued under these rules with no punitive action taking place. You can say, "I couldn't sleep last night I just tossed and turned" and nothing will happen. They aren't out to get people like that. They are after the people that have done it more than a few occasions and have chronic discipline problems. If people are that fearful they can call out sick as well. They are tired of people calling out fatigued to make commutes, etc., but a lot of this is due to flight attendants....

I am no more fearful of calling out sick or fatigued then I was before this memo came out after talking to Seggy and our Alpa scheduing chairman.
 
E_Dawg said:
Shocking. If indeed true.

Was 3407 really that long ago that they can get away with this?! Can anybody confirm this is actually policy?
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YES! It's comical.....



ah hell....I had a great response concerning this new 'policy' ready to go.....but we'll just leave it at YES, what's posted is correct.
 
I thought at most airlines if you called in fatigued/sick you couldn't commute until you cleared with the CP. Is this true?
 
Based off what I have seen I would be fearful to call in fatigued where I work. I would just call in sick if I was unfit to fly. It's not worth it. The fatigue call is just a way to get to talk to your cp. With this sort of bs why does anybody wanna make a regional a career?
 
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