Cirrus Statistics (CAPS & Accidents)
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wjmiller3
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Yes
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Hit the back button? Oh sweetheart, thank you.
You are right. It isn't hidden. It's right out there in the open, you've made yourself very transparent on this point. I believe Stone Cold said it best.
To anyone with an open mind reading this. Please review JHugz mindless cheerleading on this topic on many many of his and other Cirrus threads using the advanced search option. He is a shameless self promoter and as self serving as they come.
It was very clear, by numerous citations by the NTSB (as of '07 when I was really into this stuff) that the Cirrus and its chute has not contributed to the safety of GA in general, nor to it's pilots. The Cirrus aircraft were in fact, more likely to crash than any other Single Engine out there. These are the facts, and none of the Cirrus apologist, nor the Cirrus sales department, will dispute that. Even AOPA had to have a long article discussing it, but they did their level best to shine that turd.
It sounds like Cirrus are trying to change their sales pitch to blame the pilots for their "egos", and at the same time change their training position to pull early and pull often. I, for one, agree wholeheartedly with that position. If it were up to me, I'd follow their advice to the letter and pull the chute on every one of them while they are still on the ramp or on the taxi out. Pull them all I say, and pull them often. Not just because of my experience with the manufacturer or the sales department, but because it would finally shut Jhugz up if there were no more of his airplanes to sell- I mean fly.
And Jhugz? Mwah.
RABIRZA69
Penalty vectorer
Theres a bit more to that story.....
Stone Cold
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Seriously, am I the only one that caught this gem:
How does the parachute get credit for this one? The parachute failed to open. The pilot actually, go figure, flew the plane, and landed off airport.:insane:
Stone Cold
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But that goes back to page 1 saying he sells the airplanes, which he just said he didn't, so I'm not sure what to do...oh the humanity!!:beer::insane:If you don't want to participate please click the back button.
Maybe I'll actually go back and read this thread now...seems more interesting, for some reason.
Selecting a VSI the airplane can't maintain is one scenario.
The other typical case is being in altitude hold without enough power to maintain airspeed (classic case is during an non-precision approach)
The pilot reduces power at the FAF and commands a descent to an altitude (typically the MDA) with the a/p. The a/p will level the airplane and if power is not added back in to maintain airspeed the a/p will try and hold altitude until the airplane stalls.
Stone Cold
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Ahh, so I fully read the first post, and jhugz did address #11 on the list. I don't know or care anything about Cirrus. I will probably* never fly one, and have no real desire to fly one either. Good luck with this discussion. Now back to watching my movie on line.:beer:
Hey Mike, think we can drop this on the list with running over squared?
:deadhorse:
I agree that training is the problem, aside from that I am keeping my mouth shut on this one. Transition from 120 cruise to 180-220 cruise requires impeccable management/ADM/discipline that we just don't teach.
:deadhorse:
I agree that training is the problem, aside from that I am keeping my mouth shut on this one. Transition from 120 cruise to 180-220 cruise requires impeccable management/ADM/discipline that we just don't teach.
The same thing that causes any stall. Exceeding the critical angle of attack for the airfoil.
That's just silly. That's dangerous speak.
...oh the humanity!!:beer::insane:
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moxiepilot
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mini, between bob ross and the hugh manatee im smelling my coffee instead of drinking it, and boy does it burn.
"Happy Clouds"
"Happy Clouds"
They're just gonna hang out up there in the sky. Let's see what we can find on the ground. We'll just take some of this midnight blue and start tapping around down here. Look. We found some waves. Maybe this is a nice beach. Yeah. A little beach where you go to take a nice picnic vacation. Those waves sure are beautiful. Maybe there's a few bushes over here just off the beach. Everything just kinda lives here together.
Actually, Bob was a very interesting person. I never knew he was a bad-ass in the military which lead to his mellow nature on his show. I wish more people could be mellow like that.
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killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Okay, I knew he had a military background, but everything I've found in a whopping 15 minutes of web searching indicates that he was a medical records tech in the Air Force.
Not exactly the job I'd equate with badass.
Everything I read indicated he was the badass that got to yell at people all the time. Clean up that blood! (Caddyshack reference) Make your bed! yadda yadda...
When he left the military, he swore he'd never yell again.
...that's what I was able to find. I'd say that's a pretty badass position.
-mini
Bernoulli Fan
Controller
1. I have a student (25 TT) who is set on buying a Cirrus to complete his private and instrument training. Any tips from those who fly these things?
2. My roommates used to watch Bob Ross' show devoutly. I always fell asleep.
2. My roommates used to watch Bob Ross' show devoutly. I always fell asleep.
jhugz
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Can be done NP. He just has to understand it will not happen in 40 hours. Probably closer to 70-80 if I had to guess unless the guy is amazing. As for the instrument NP at all especially if he has 50 hours in type at this point. Make him do the 50 hours of PIC X-Country w/ you tied into his instrument training. It then allows him to kill three birds w/ one stone.