Cirrus SR-20 down.

galvestonaggie said:
Sad indeed. When I was at DCA a few weeks ago I had asked one of the instructors if anyone had ever deployed the parachute, he told me No but that there had been more than one instance where they had experienced a spin and it was the instructors call on weather to release it. He also pointed out the special honey comb seating material which he said was designed to absorb some of the force on impact. No telling what happened to these guys and now is not the time to speculate but one does wonder. Does anyone know how much altitude the Cirrus needs for the parachute system to correctly perform? RIP to all.
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sr22

Vpd (chute deployment): 133 kias (246 km/h)
 
galvestonaggie said:
Sad indeed. When I was at DCA a few weeks ago I had asked one of the instructors if anyone had ever deployed the parachute, he told me No but that there had been more than one instance where they had experienced a spin and it was the instructors call on weather to release it. He also pointed out the special honey comb seating material which he said was designed to absorb some of the force on impact. No telling what happened to these guys and now is not the time to speculate but one does wonder. Does anyone know how much altitude the Cirrus needs for the parachute system to correctly perform? RIP to all.
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also look at what they landed in..... They could have deployed it, and where they landed has alot of trees, it could have banged them around pretty hard. the landing is about 1500 FPM landing.... more like a crash

What I'm curious is what happened.... engine loss at a very low alt? they got into a spin when the student messed up a stall? I'm curious...
 
AMH said:
Depressing to hear the news.


From the article above:



Does this make any sense?
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No this doesn't make any sense at all. I have been trying to figure out why this is. The aircraft was scheduled to depart at 1:30 with a 3 hour block. There was a call from a resident of an aircraft they thought went down, but was dismissed. Then the aircraft was reported overdue at 2:00 and it took 12 hours for search and rescue to take action. Why did it take them so long? It's possible That in the 12 hours an earlier deployment of search and rescue could have made a difference.
 
taseal said:
also look at what they landed in..... They could have deployed it, and where they landed has alot of trees, it could have banged them around pretty hard. the landing is about 1500 FPM landing.... more like a crash

What I'm curious is what happened.... engine loss at a very low alt? they got into a spin when the student messed up a stall? I'm curious...
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I have heard from another employee the data recorder indicated that the aircraft was spiraling down prior to deployment. But we will have to wait and see.
 
Hckey2477 said:
No this doesn't make any sense at all. I have been trying to figure out why this is. The aircraft was scheduled to depart at 1:30 with a 3 hour block. There was a call from a resident of an aircraft they thought went down, but was dismissed. Then the aircraft was reported overdue at 2:00 and it took 12 hours for search and rescue to take action. Why did it take them so long? It's possible That in the 12 hours an earlier deployment of search and rescue could have made a difference.
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That definitely raises some suspicions.

I was more or less referring to the Civil Air Patrol losing radar contact. Wouldn't that mean they would have to have radar contact in the first place? I wasn't aware that CAP has this capability.
 
AMH said:
. Wouldn't that mean they would have to have radar contact in the first place? I wasn't aware that CAP has this capability.
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They don't. It's the media not knowing what they're talking about again.
 
Hckey2477 said:
I have heard from another employee the data recorder indicated that the aircraft was spiraling down prior to deployment. But we will have to wait and see.
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This is the assumption I'm making...

The student was doing a stall of some sort (perhaps power on stall as they are more violent) and lost control and they went into a spin. well we know with the cirrus that (from what I can remember) when you go into a spin, you pull the chute. there is no recovery in the checklist for it....

so after they went into a spin, Adi pulled the chute without much thinking what was under him, and then they chuted down into heavy forest which tall trees. during the fall (which is about a 1500fpm fall) they got beat up pretty hard. They might have survived the crash possibly, but not enough that their bodies could hang on for 12 hours....

I believe with the cirrus its 3,000 feet min to do stalls per DCA stands manual. i forget now, its been a while since I flew them.

i just can't believe the 12 hour thing..... maybe now DCA is going to make it mandatory for either flight plans for even local training flights, or make it mandatory to contact the dispatch every hour.
 
AMH said:
That definitely raises some suspicions.

I was more or less referring to the Civil Air Patrol losing radar contact. Wouldn't that mean they would have to have radar contact in the first place? I wasn't aware that CAP has this capability.
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Roger said:
They don't. It's the media not knowing what they're talking about again.
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Exactly. I sent an email to the news station that wrote the article telling them CAP doesn't have anything to do with radar, the FAA does. Hopefully they will correct the error.

We have Delta Connection aircraft come into GNV all the time, day and night.

R.I.P.
 
I am sorry for your loss guys, that really sucks. There are too many people in our little niche of the internet being affected by accidents recently and I don't like that. Everybody should take a few extra minutes before flying and REALLY think about what you are doing, after all, it's not like jumping in the car to go grab some milk. These kinds of things happen and it shows us that flying isn't always as safe as we would like it to be.
 
taseal said:
....well we know with the cirrus that (from what I can remember) when you go into a spin, you pull the chute. there is no recovery in the checklist for it....
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Not true.

While there is no 'do-list' for a spin in a cirrus, it WILL recover from one using positive control inputs. The JAA certification has no 'equivalent level of safety' clause like the FAA, and the airplane was spun for JAA cert.

It is about a 1000-1500 ft/min decent under the chute depending on the weight of the plane.

Rest in peace to the fallen. I know all too well what its like to know people that have been killed in accidents. Thankfully I still only need one hand though.
 
Wow.....I am a former DCA student who left after CFI, I did a checkride with Adi and he was a very good pilot. RIP
 
cefiro said:
Wow.....I am a former DCA student who left after CFI, I did a checkride with Adi and he was a very good pilot. RIP
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Yes, he was a great pilot, and an awesome guy. quiet, but full of jokes everytime he talked. he did couple of my check rides too

OldTownPilot said:
Not true.

While there is no 'do-list' for a spin in a cirrus, it WILL recover from one using positive control inputs. The JAA certification has no 'equivalent level of safety' clause like the FAA, and the airplane was spun for JAA cert.
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like I said, i'm assuming... we don't know what happened for a while probably

poor guy, he never made it to the airlines :(
 
taseal said:
Yes, he was a great pilot, and an awesome guy. quiet, but full of jokes everytime he talked. he did couple of my check rides too
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Yeah, he was all about doing things by the standz manual.....Must have been something extremely sudden for him not to have been able to recover.
 
R.I.P to the two pilots.
Im sorry to all who knew the Instructor for your loss, he sounds like he was an awesome person pilot and friend.
 
I don't get it, plane leaves at 2.09 and DCA doesn't do anything about this for over 12 hours? if I was overdue for over an hour or 2, and I didn't say anything, i'd want them to contact the FAA....
 
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