CFI Union

I have to ask, is your 'Comrade Obama' signature line critical of his policies or welcoming him as a socialist leader? I mean, given that you're a supporter of trade unionism and socialism?

I did just under $3K last month, which for autumn in Oregon is not too bad.

I'd suggest Taxi driving as a part time second job for the winter. I did last year and my accent, combined with my 'I'm an unemployed pilot' sob story, left me with about $300 a night. Net. That said, it's not easy, honest, legal or safe.
 
CFIs are a dime a dozen right now. I could fire the whole staff and have the spots filled in 3 days.
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But quality CFI's are hard to find! If you dont like working for a school get a part time job then try to go independent! I dont know what its like in other areas of the country but here in Ohio where I live you can actually do well as a Independent because there are alot of airports that have no flight school but a good number of airplanes there.
 
Jbroz04 said:
But quality CFI's are hard to find!
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True, but to form a union, you need some sort of bargaining chip. With the market the way it is, it would be easier for the company to fire the staff and bring in a new team than it would be to support a union. Just complaining that your job sucks is not good enough.
 
Jbroz04 said:
But quality CFI's are hard to find! If you dont like working for a school get a part time job then try to go independent! I dont know what its like in other areas of the country but here in Ohio where I live you can actually do well as a Independent because there are alot of airports that have no flight school but a good number of airplanes there.
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That is what I am saying. Most of the freelance guys I know have more business than they know what to do with. I would guess Blackhawk is pretty busy too and I think he just does the "fun stuff". That is my plan when I hang up my Air Force bag; the freelance gig. Of course, I will have a nice retirement for the "slow times".
 
The fun stuff is what I plan to do for a living. Except I hope to make it on the airshow circuit and still teach aerobatics on off time. I love to dream:)
 
Only 25k? boy you're selling yourself very short,or you lack big on flight hours


jhugz said:
No doubt about it, it would be nice.

As said before more then fair wages for a CFI would be:

25k For CFI
30k For Ass Chief
35k For Chief

Plus

Good Dental/Medical, Matching 401k, Paid Vacation, and monthly re-currency paid for by company.
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speedbreaker said:
Only 25k? boy you're selling yourself very short,or you lack big on flight hours
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Selling myself short or trying to be realistic? How about the big boys in the jets help make this job easier and get their wages bumped up to more then what I'm trying to get for a first year instructor at a company. Kinda hard to negotiate 40k when someone flying a 100 seat jet is making 22k their first year.
 
Depends. If you specliaze in something and your good at it you can make 40-50k as a flight instructor. Again this isnt easy. But if you truley have a specliaty that is hard to dupilcate you can make good money teaching it! Example Aerobatics, Glass cockpit, Tailwhee/Sea Plane, Pitts Transition etc etc
 
Jbroz04 said:
Depends. If you specliaze in something and your good at it you can make 40-50k as a flight instructor. Again this isnt easy. But if you truley have a specliaty that is hard to dupilcate you can make good money teaching it! Example Aerobatics, Glass cockpit, Tailwhee/Sea Plane, Pitts Transition etc etc
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Specialized or not...CFI's should not be making Mickey D's drive-thru wages.
 
I'm not justifiying the wages I'm just saying how you can attempt to improve yours. Like me for example. I have no desire to fly airlines for a living so my goals are a little different from yours. But right now I'm working on getting both my CFI-A and CFI-G and I'm flying any tailwheel airplane I can find. Than this summer I will do instruction in both airplanes and gliders and also fly the Pawnee at the glider strip to build a ton of tailwheel time. My goal is to become extremely proficient in tail wheel airplanes and gliders and than I plan to specialize in teaching tailwheel airplanes and gliders only. Eventually I want to teach aerobatic as well but I need alot more training in that to even think about trying to show someone else how to do it. Last thing I would want to do is teach improper technique.
 
Jbroz04 said:
I'm not justifiying the wages I'm just saying how you can attempt to improve yours. Like me for example. I have no desire to fly airlines for a living so my goals are a little different from yours. But right now I'm working on getting both my CFI-A and CFI-G and I'm flying any tailwheel airplane I can find. Than this summer I will do instruction in both airplanes and gliders and also fly the Pawnee at the glider strip to build a ton of tailwheel time. My goal is to become extremely proficient in tail wheel airplanes and gliders and than I plan to specialize in teaching tailwheel airplanes and gliders only. Eventually I want to teach aerobatic as well but I need alot more training in that to even think about trying to show someone else how to do it. Last thing I would want to do is teach improper technique.
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There should be no need to specialize. NO NEED AT ALL. I deserve a fair wage and I plan to try and start fighting for it.
 
jhugz said:
There should be no need to specialize. NO NEED AT ALL. I deserve a fair wage and I plan to try and start fighting for it.
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This makes me think that if Flight instructors made a real world specialty instructor wage (golf/tennis instructor), then maybe a real pilot shortage would happen.
Maybe by us reproducing ourselves so cheaply, we are in turn hurting our wages in our next job.

Disclaimer: I'm not interested in making flight training exclusively for the rich, though it could be argued it already is, I would hope anybody who wants to be a pilot to be able to realize their dream.

Just thinking while typing.
 
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