JumpWake
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HAHHA! It's amazing how a single YouTube vid can say EVERYTHING.
Can we now safely say the 900 is on property?
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HAHHA! It's amazing how a single YouTube vid can say EVERYTHING.
Screaming_Emu
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Yeah...those horrible horrible sub contracted pilots. Who on earth would purposely apply to be one of those guys.
Oh yeah...you.
Pot...kettle...black.
I'm not saying that the 900 isn't too big to be flown by a regional...I'm just saying you MAY be part of the problem that you spend 99% of your posts preaching about. Can we start a fund to buy surreal a mirror?
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Yes Joe, pot kettle black.
Spot on, never wrong, always right Joe.
You and Marcus having a party tonight rejoicing the arrival of the large RJ?
Spot on, never wrong, always right Joe.
You and Marcus having a party tonight rejoicing the arrival of the large RJ?
MusketeerMan
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It's never you, it's always us. Sigh.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Not really.
It's not ALWAYS "you." But, when it comes to being giddy like a girl with her prom dress over her head on prom night, it's the same couple of people rejoicing the large RJs and ignoring the ramifications they have on "our" collective career progression and expectations.
Yes, I came to a regional. I am part of the problem. If you want me to acknowledge that, then there it is.
This thread isn't about me, but, if I had the eye sight and mental aptitude to go to a military academy, fly heavy metal for 10 years and smoothly move into a legacy slot then fine. But that didn't happen. A part 135 company locally based so that I didn't have to move again? Nope, didn't happen. Why not goto the local company that does fly RJs and make an attempt to make a difference. To raise the tide from the bottom up, perhaps that'd be honorable. Now my eyes are open.
It's not ALWAYS "you." But, when it comes to being giddy like a girl with her prom dress over her head on prom night, it's the same couple of people rejoicing the large RJs and ignoring the ramifications they have on "our" collective career progression and expectations.
Yes, I came to a regional. I am part of the problem. If you want me to acknowledge that, then there it is.
This thread isn't about me, but, if I had the eye sight and mental aptitude to go to a military academy, fly heavy metal for 10 years and smoothly move into a legacy slot then fine. But that didn't happen. A part 135 company locally based so that I didn't have to move again? Nope, didn't happen. Why not goto the local company that does fly RJs and make an attempt to make a difference. To raise the tide from the bottom up, perhaps that'd be honorable. Now my eyes are open.
Trip7
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Sorry Cruise, but there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with celebrating a new airplane on property. Especially when it saved about 60 people from the furlough gun.
As far as the 900s belonging at mainline, I certainly agree. But its not like the regional pilots came and stole the planes. Mainline pilots are the ones that sent the planes down here. If you guys want to figure out a way for ALL regionals to come together and collectively(good luck) refuse to fly them for less than mainline rates I'm all for it. But until then we're just all going to be slinging mud at each other over large RJs. And this is only a 6 seat difference that all this "bringing down the industry" commotion is going on about.
As far as the 900s belonging at mainline, I certainly agree. But its not like the regional pilots came and stole the planes. Mainline pilots are the ones that sent the planes down here. If you guys want to figure out a way for ALL regionals to come together and collectively(good luck) refuse to fly them for less than mainline rates I'm all for it. But until then we're just all going to be slinging mud at each other over large RJs. And this is only a 6 seat difference that all this "bringing down the industry" commotion is going on about.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
So, because the seat increase isn't significant, it doesn't cross a line?
How many 6-seat increases until you are into an "RJ" that seats more than mainline aircraft?
Slippery slope, and you have to draw the line somewhere.
FWIW, "new plane smell" is for pu55ies.
Trip7
Well-Known Member
1 more 6 seat increase then its an RJ that seats more than the mainline scope allows. At least Delta's. 76 seats is the line that has been made in the sand. Any further erosion or recapture of scope will be up to the mainline MECs.
BTW
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
Yeah, there is something TOTALLY wrong about that. The plane does not belong at a regional airline. PERIOD FREAKING DOT END OF FREAKING STORY. And I do mean to piss on your parade. I prefer it never happen at all. That it did and/or that it saved 60 people at a crap regional airline (argue all you want, every regional is crap) from furlough I am not going to celebrate either. Sorry. Not gonna hapen. It doesn't matter that the mainline guys chose to let the scope escape. That still does NOT make it right for us to be doing that flying. Remember that old adage 2 wrongs don't make a right. Think about it...
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
BTW
Looks about as exciting as a glass of water.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Mmmm!! I love the smell of replacement jet in the morning!! Smells like VICTORY!!!
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
I bet you can't wait to fly that bad boy for the same crappy pay as the 70 seater, but it's ok, this plane has first class!
The irony of someone with a CRJ 900 as their avatar, who worked for a company flying that airplane for less than the OP, posting this insult is staggering.
If these airplanes have to go to the regional level, I'd rather they go to a place like ASA that has some of the best pay and work rules of the regionals.
WalterSobchak
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You do realize that one crj900 represents -2 crj200s? That crj900 at your company equals 10 people out of work with the net loss of airframes. You do realize that? Keep celebrating maybe when they furlough you can celebrate the crj900 from the unemployment line!
Trip7
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For years here on JC members have been pointing this out. Thread after thread about how good it was in the past and placing blame on everyone they can think of. Years of this has gone on but in all these threads there are few solutions. How do you stop the whipsaw?
Cruise says he's trying to open my eyes. My eyes have been open buddy. The scope is gone and I don't see mainline taking it back anytime soon. The only way to stop this is to negotiate rates up to the mainline level. That is very difficult to do in an environment where all the regionals have contract negotiations at different times and a regional can easily price itself out of the game.
In a perfect world it will take a collective effort by all regionals union and non-union to come together and take a stand against the current rates. However I believe the human nature of looking out for oneself will prevent this from ever happening.
Its sad when a regional gets awarded airplanes there is more a feeling of victory and relief than excitement. But that is the world we live in and the game we play. Hopefully ALPA is working on a solution but until then when my company gets awarded new aircraft best believe I'm going to celebrate.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Ladies and gentlemen, our latest jhugz!!! Give him a round of applause!
mxflyer
Well-Known Member
:banghead:
anic::banghead: It's crazy that nobody pays attention to details. For the, oh I don't know, 100th time:- The 200s aren't leaving for another year to year and a half.
- The 200s are leaving are ASA's so they are the company's to do what they want with. (hopefully flying with another airline).
- Apparently the company was going to furlough around 160. The announcement of 900s coming to the company cut that number in half.
- So there are around 80 people with jobs, thanks to the 900s.
But for now, around 80 people still have jobs, thanks to the 900s. Hopefully YOU now realize that.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Like I said, it takes great clarity to look beyond the shiny jet and to see what it truly represents for ones career. It also takes a little maturity and a smidgen of experience in the industry.
I suspect that in 10-12 years you will be able to speak on the subject more thoughtfully.
In the meantime, congratulations on your new airframe. I sincerely hope it provides you with growth and job security.
I suspect that in 10-12 years you will be able to speak on the subject more thoughtfully.
In the meantime, congratulations on your new airframe. I sincerely hope it provides you with growth and job security.
Trip7
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Read about 4 posts up. I think I already mentioned that the 900s at the regionals is not a great thing for the career.
I guarantee you in 10-12 years I would say the same exact things I said today.
Only time will tell. But it is a decent sign that Delta awarded these planes to a regional with a relatively senior pilot group and one of the best pilot contracts if not the best pilot contract in the industry.