Can I still get hired?

He need not tell them he was diagnosed with anything, as far as I know. He's either got or not got a medical.

"I was a stupid kid and made a stupid joke and in the wake of the Columbine shootings it was taken seriously when that was not my intent. It has been X years since the incident and I have had a spotless record since then."

I don't think he would have a problem even getting a top secret security clearance, much less a SIDA badge. Read some of the stuff here: http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/ (Keep in mind that this is from the review board so most of these are denials.)

CASE NUMBER: 07-17559.h1

Personal Conduct; Criminal Conduct; Sexual Behavior

09/25/2008
Applicant mitigated the security concerns raised by his January 2004 molestation of his minor step-child by the passage of time, the public knowledge of the offense, the favorable prognoses from his psychotherapist and the psychiatrist who performed his pre-sentencing evaluation. Clearnce granted.
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CenCal:

Thanks, first two rounds are on me if I run into ya! ;)

Other fields, I really have no idea. I gather the farther the applicant is away from security-intensive fields, the higher probability that it will he'll be ok.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
CASE NUMBER: 07-17559.h1

Personal Conduct; Criminal Conduct; Sexual Behavior

09/25/2008
Applicant mitigated the security concerns raised by his January 2004 molestation of his minor step-child by the passage of time, the public knowledge of the offense, the favorable prognoses from his psychotherapist and the psychiatrist who performed his pre-sentencing evaluation. Clearnce granted.
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This particular guy wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting through an interview for an airline pilot. No way.
 
Certainly not only 4 years after it occured. I'm just saying that the OP would probably get a SIDA if he had to.


However, a lot of these security clearance jobs are NOT very competitive. In fact if you have a certain skill set it is very much a seller's market, so to speak. This is different for an airline pilot -- everyone wants your job, so why hire the guy who has a criminal record when you have someone behind him who doesn't have one?

I'd say in the current job market your chances are slim unless you're dating the CP's daughter and also potentially slim for a major airline job unless A LOT of time has passed since the incident and you already are working 121 for a while so they know you won't go kill crazy.
 
Everyone has been asking whether an airline interviewer would hire this guy or not. Well, guess what folks, I used to conduct interviews for a major low-cost airline. The airline's name rhymes with smairtran.

First, if this guy's application came in front of me and it divulged the arrest and conviction I would grade it a three out of a possible one, two or three score. One was the best score and three the worst. We always interviewed one's and almost never interviewed three's. The three's would only get that interview if we had no other applicants, which was never.

If we did not know about the conviction he might get the interview. Then, during the interview if the conviction came out he would not get hired. Plain and simple, too much liability.

If, after the interview and he was hired and later the conviction came out during training he would be asked to leave. If, the conviction did not come out until after training and during his probationary year he would then be fired.

If the conviction did not come out until after probation then it was in the hands of Flight Ops management and the Union.

To sum up, the end result of any scenario would not be in the OP's favor.
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
Everyone has been asking whether an airline interviewer would hire this guy or not. Well, guess what folks, I used to conduct interviews for a major low-cost airline. The airline's name rhymes with smairtran.

First, if this guy's application came in front of me and it divulged the arrest and conviction I would grade it a three out of a possible one, two or three score. One was the best score and three the worst. We always interviewed one's and almost never interviewed three's. The three's would only get that interview if we had no other applicants, which was never.

If we did not know about the conviction he might get the interview. Then, during the interview if the conviction came out he would not get hired. Plain and simple, too much liability.

If, after the interview and he was hired and later the conviction came out during training he would be asked to leave. If, the conviction did not come out until after training and during his probationary year he would then be fired.

If the conviction did not come out until after probation then it was in the hands of Flight Ops management and the Union.

To sum up, the end result of any scenario would not be in the OP's favor.
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:tmyk:
 
And let's just talk about the market we have right now.

ExpressJet furloughed 350, and the rumor is they might spill another 200-250 onto the street.

United furloughed 1,000.

ATA liquidated and put all those pilots on the street.

One of the Hawaiian carriers liquidated and put all those pilots on the street.

Air Wisky put what? 100-200 on the street?

Chatquatron put what? 200-300 on the street?

TSA has put a couple of guys on the street.

Continental has 150 on the street.

Airways has 150 on the street.

I mean crap, SKYWEST MIGHT FURLOUGH! Isn't that one of the signs of the coming Apocalypse?

Point being, with all these incredibly qualified people on the street with part 135 and part 121 time under their belt, and with these people being a KNOWN QUANTITY with being able to hack a training program, maybe even a few training programs, why would an airline bother with somebody that has a record like this?

There's no reason for them to. This is an incredibly competitive field, and it's gotten even worse in the last 6 months with how many furloughs there have been.
 
jtrain609 said:
I mean crap, SKYWEST MIGHT FURLOUGH! Isn't that one of the signs of the coming Apocalypse?
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YAY!!!
 
Capt. Caucasian said:
I used to conduct interviews for a major low-cost airline.
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In an effort for full disclosure I need to amend my above statement. I was not an interviewer for the airline but, I was a pilot recruiter. Although, I did conduct pre-screen interviews I did not do the final one. That was the job for HR and management.

However, in order to get to that final interview the pilot had to get through me or someone like me. Sometimes that involved a face to face interview and sometimes it was simply looking at the resume, application, and any letters of recommendation. It was my job to weed out the guys that did not meet minimums or the company standards. The questions that have been raised in this thread would disqualify an applicant or, like I said before, give them a score of 'three'.
 
This thread has been one hell of an interesting read! Throwing in my $.02, if I was conducting the interview, I'd be quite worried of the liability imposed by his history. I don't see how some of you argue that threatening to shoot up the school is the same as getting a parking ticket. Totally different ballpark. As a pilot, I would not like a kid who wanted to shoot up his high school sitting next to me. He may be a damn good pilot, but I'm sure there are thousands of other damn good pilots out there that did not have a wet dream about 'bang bang shoot'em up' and a history of mental illness.

If it's:

Applicant A: 2500TT, 1000ME, Tons of Turbine Experience, Flawless record across the board

or

Applicant B: 2500TT, 1000ME, Tons of Turbine Experience, Arrested for threatening to shoot up high school, history of mental illness

... the choice seems painfully clear to me. Applicant B is shown the door, while A is welcomed with arms wide open.
 
I must reiterate that the only way to get a definitive answer to the OP's questions are to go and apply for a class 1 medical and do a background check. If you get both ticks in the box then go for it. Obviously the rules are the rules in the US regarding employment and criminal history. I feel that if you demonstrated commitment to your career path, something will work out in the end.

Re mental illness; again the rules are the rules in the US, but if I can add a different perspective on things regarding this issue in general. Check out the articles below.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/30/2106126.htm
 
Capt. Caucasian, you former drumline fool.

You've gone and interjected with first hand experience and knowledge on a heavy-on-emotion/light-on-reality internet thread.

OMG. Do you realize what you've just done?! :) We'll call you "Dickey", set you up with a nice suburban hot dog stand in the desert so you can avoid any repercussions. Wait, that doesn't really work... Witness protection program foiled again!
 
by now.. fer sure!

This isn't to say he can't fly recreationally or as corproate/fractional/freight....but i'd say commercial piloting (w/people in the back) might be out, esp since the OP was 18 (of adult age) when stunt was pulled/arrested etc. of course there's no guarantee of a job for anyone so if any of the flight schools tell you they can get you in.. RUN away, fast!!
 
Actually, freight like UPS and FDX are harder to get into that flying folks in the airlines.
 
Ok, look.... I've been living in the US since I was 4 and am a Resident Alien from Germany with a minor blemish on my criminal history. What happened on the day in question is this: I was given a Saturday detention for being late to class, when in fact I was trying to get a reprieve for one I'd previous received, so that I could take my SATs that Saturday. I unintentionally uttered those words, and before I know it....., I was sent to the office and told I'd be arrested. I mean geez, I wasn't going to shoot anyone up, and I dont even have a history of being aggressive or anything. I'm actually a rather docile guy, when you get to know me. I don't have mental issues anymore, as I've learned to overcome them through hard work and persistence. God, I say one retarded thing and now my potential career as a professional aviator is ruined forever?

Where's the compassion? Yes... I realize I fu&&&& up, and I'm very remorseful for what I said. But isn't there anyway I can "redeem" myself? I'm just an honest guy trying to make it in this world.:banghead:
 
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