Bye bye Medevac

Whether accurately describing the system or not it still completely came across as whining, which I must point out is the typical tone of the large majority of your posts. I just happened to be bored enough to comment today. Sorry not sorry.

Anyway, as to whether the old system or new system is better, I can't speak to that at all. I was extremely fortunate to pretty much go straight to being a line holder with 2 months as a new hire. So I really have no experience with either system. I further have no intention of even considering taking an upgrade until I am more than halfway up the base seniority list of CA lineholders, so I very likely wouldn't experience it then either. The pay raise does not remotely make up for the QOL hit, I don't currently actually need it in any way, and I don't measure my self-worth by the ability to tell people "I'm an airline Captain." I can make my life miserable enough on my own if I so choose. I can't fathom why the hell I would let the company do it for me by completely handing them the reigns to my work life.

If you want my advice (which I doubt you do, but I'm going to give it anyway because internet) it really sounds to me like you should either bid a different reserve, bid out of SEA, or bid back to the right seat. There's a fourth option too, but I'm just not going to mention it.

You must be fun at parties.

You're also now getting worked up and defensive about getting worked up and angry when I responded factually to the question "what is unstacking."

Also, I had no idea the apathy for junior pilots was so off the charts. It's almost like there is distain for them. I'm not so worried about myself. It's the FOs stuck at the bottom of the seniority list that were not as fortunate as you.

They will probably be in this situation for years. Not that you care.
 
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Meh. I'm only surprised that the new reserve system is worse than the old reserve system. The old system had RAP+3 and you'd get a stretch of 5 days off every month to decompress and not have to deal with work. Now the reserves are working longer days with only 3 day breaks, 4 if their trades go through. They can also be kept on reserve almost the full 12 hours and then be assigned a DH transcon. The old contract they couldn't do that.

Not looking for sympathy at all. I did this to myself but it's a lot worse than the old system and the new system was sold as better than the old system.

I was only on reserve in the old/last contract, so I very much can't speak intelligently to this. However not having the 5 day off stretch sounds crappy. Old system, you could also just go into the app and swap reserve days if they were at start or end of a >3 day block if I recall, with very few restrictions.

Like others, I have no intention of upgrading before I would comfortably be a line holder. But I flew with plenty of junior PLC CAs in the old system who looked miserable. I guess it is more miserable now?

To your other point, I hope that our most junior FO's aren't stagnant for a long time. I guess time will tell. But I was very fortunate to go from 99% to the 60's pretty damn quickly, at least by our historical standards. I really hope they all get a similar wild ride (in a good way), and you guys too on the other side of the most ridiculous comm panel in the world
 
I was only on reserve in the old/last contract, so I very much can't speak intelligently to this. However not having the 5 day off stretch sounds crappy. Old system, you could also just go into the app and swap reserve days if they were at start or end of a >3 day block if I recall, with very few restrictions.

Like others, I have no intention of upgrading before I would comfortably be a line holder. But I flew with plenty of junior CAs in the old system who looked miserable. I guess it is more miserable now?

Seems like it it? IDK I was on reserve as an FO for 9 months on the old system. And about a year as a CA. It was about what one would expect on reserve but it wasn't this bad.

Also unless someone asks me about it in person I'm not going to talk about my situation at work. I know the FOs don't want to hear about it. That's totally fine.
 
I was only on reserve in the old/last contract, so I very much can't speak intelligently to this. However not having the 5 day off stretch sounds crappy. Old system, you could also just go into the app and swap reserve days if they were at start or end of a >3 day block if I recall, with very few restrictions.

Like others, I have no intention of upgrading before I would comfortably be a line holder. But I flew with plenty of junior PLC CAs in the old system who looked miserable. I guess it is more miserable now?

To your other point, I hope that our most junior FO's aren't stagnant for a long time. I guess time will tell. But I was very fortunate to go from 99% to the 60's pretty damn quickly, at least by our historical standards. I really hope they all get a similar wild ride (in a good way), and you guys too on the other side of the most ridiculous comm panel in the world


Old system sucked. In order to move days, not only did the overall reserve day have to be greater than min required, your actual RAP itself had to be greater than min required. I’d often bid the latest rap starting 1400-1800L, and often would be only 1 or 2 available in that RAP for a given day. Min required of 2-3 was always greater than available 1-2. Zero flexibility.

New one is better.
 
Old system sucked. In order to move days, not only did the overall reserve day have to be greater than min required, your actual RAP itself had to be greater than min required. I’d often bid the latest rap starting 1400-1800L, and often would be only 1 or 2 available in that RAP for a given day. Min required of 2-3 was always greater than available 1-2. Zero flexibility.

New one is better.

Entirely possible I just got lucky the couple times I did this. Didn't even know about it until part way through my last month of reserve
 
Old system sucked. In order to move days, not only did the overall reserve day have to be greater than min required, your actual RAP itself had to be greater than min required. I’d often bid the latest rap starting 1400-1800L, and often would be only 1 or 2 available in that RAP for a given day. Min required of 2-3 was always greater than available 1-2. Zero flexibility.

New one is better.

The new system is better in your base
 
The new system is better in your base

To move reserve days around, with no individual requirement of RAP coverage, only min day coverage = better regardless of base.

SEA rsv sucks because there’ll always be something they can hodge podge together and use you.


I can’t count the number of SEA FOs I flew with on an early morning flight from SAN/LAX/SFO to SEA who were happy to be done.

“We land at 9am. They’re gonna use you and tag a roundtrip….”



Last gal got a SLC turn. Before that, a guy who got a midcon overnight. There’s too much at mothership base that they can use a pilot for.
 
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I got to fly the salmon people plane! Favorite special livery by far.
 

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I think I like Star Wars the best. I'm not even a Star Wars fan, but the plane looks cool. I've also never flown one of the fancy livery planes, other than I think maybe one of the veterans birds. Never got to fly seventhirtysalmon while it was still around (though I'm guessing it was very much not the original one). Don't think I have ever even seen the salmon people plane, until these pics, let alone fly it.
 
I can’t decide if Star Wars is my favorite or the Salmon is my favorite. Both are pretty cool.
I’ll allow it. Tbh the salmon people hits different because the artist is a Juneau local, her art is in the JNU terminal and on one of the ambulances that used to deliver patients to us.
I think I like Star Wars the best. I'm not even a Star Wars fan, but the plane looks cool. I've also never flown one of the fancy livery planes, other than I think maybe one of the veterans birds. Never got to fly seventhirtysalmon while it was still around (though I'm guessing it was very much not the original one). Don't think I have ever even seen the salmon people plane, until these pics, let alone fly it.
The salmon people tail, 559AS, is the plane that was the NG salmon thirty salmon. They did the new livery when it was due for repaint and IIRC it was kept under wraps until the surprise reveal. I’m pretty sure there was a -400 salmon thirty salmon prior to 559AS.
 
Veterans' plane is the best (not yours though Horizon, you don't deserve to have that and it still pisses me off you do), no contest. After that, the new Salmon People and Star Wars schemes are awesome. The Star Wars plane is particularly cool because it has specific SW music instead the usual AWFUL boarding music we have.
 
Veterans' plane is the best (not yours though Horizon, you don't deserve to have that and it still pisses me off you do), no contest. After that, the new Salmon People and Star Wars schemes are awesome. The Star Wars plane is particularly cool because it has specific SW music instead the usual AWFUL boarding music we have.

Yeah I think the vets and the Star Wars are my favorites. I'm pretty sure there are, or at least were, 2 vet birds. I witnessed the "Fallen Soldier" detail escorting a service member off one of them at the N gates, parked right next to the other one a year or two ago. I guess I could actually go look it up, but my iPad is too far away
 
I know there are at least 2, an 800 and a 900. There may possibly be a third but I'm not sure. Do they list the special liveries in the fleet report?
 
Veterans' plane is the best (not yours though Horizon, you don't deserve to have that and it still pisses me off you do), no contest. After that, the new Salmon People and Star Wars schemes are awesome. The Star Wars plane is particularly cool because it has specific SW music instead the usual AWFUL boarding music we have.

Star•er is on the latest playlist. It's not one of their best songs and it's not even an original but it's a step in the right direction.

I did say "whoa Star•er" as I boarded the other day and it took a little explaining to clear up.
 
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