Bye bye, KCM

[azmedic]

Being replaced with this at the end of the year supposedly

Crewmember Access Point

The Known Crewmember® Program is transitioning to Crewmember Access Point (CMAP) and NATA Compliance Services has crew members covered.

info.natacs.aero

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[Autothrust Blue]

Thank you for continuing to hold. Your face will be eaten (and scanned, I guess?) shortly.

 

[Kingairer]

Just give me a dedicated, flight crew online lane, with the rules of TSA precheck were I can keep my belt and shoes on, and Ill slide my bag in the machine no problem.

 

[Wardogg]

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Thank you for continuing to hold. Your face will be eaten (and scanned, I guess?) shortly.

What does face eating have to do with anything? This has been a long time coming. All that to say I’m not a fan of punishing all for the actions of a few. But what did you expect?

 

[Screaming_Emu]

Read the whole thing, no idea what’s different.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Read the whole thing, no idea what’s different.

I’d presume we are getting screened every time.

 

[azmedic]

I’d presume we are getting screened every time.

KCM with a metal detector,probably


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[ASpilot2be]

I’d presume we are getting screened every time.

Which I would be less annoyed with if I don't get stuck behind Karen, who has never been to an airport before. If it's a dedicated crew line, it wouldn't be awful.

 

[azmedic]

Which I would be less annoyed with if I don't get stuck behind Karen, who has never been to an airport before. If it's a dedicated crew line, it wouldn't be awful.

Like it used to be “back in the day”


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[Roger Roger]

this may be an unpopular opinion, but no one is going to blow up an airplane with a baggie of pills. Even worse the times they’ve detained people for having too much cash. If ATF or whoever is responsible for drugs wants to screen airports, they can do it from their budget and leave the security folks out of it.

 

[CFI A&P]

this may be an unpopular opinion, but no one is going to blow up an airplane with a baggie of pills. Even worse the times they’ve detained people for having too much cash. If ATF or whoever is responsible for drugs wants to screen airports, they can do it from their budget and leave the security folks out of it.

That's almost not a bad idea, make it two step. The new KCM run by TSA verifies you're a crewmember and advance through, but if randomed step aside and let whoever (ATF or local LEO) perform the secondary screening. Oh and enforce some of the high fines we keep being threatened with, because that'll deter people from "brought the range bag to work by mistake".

 

[Autothrust Blue]

That's almost not a bad idea, make it two step. The new KCM run by TSA verifies you're a crewmember and advance through, but if randomed step aside and let whoever (ATF or local LEO) perform the secondary screening. Oh and enforce some of the high fines we keep being threatened with, because that'll deter people from "brought the range bag to work by mistake".

Whereupon it no longer is an “administrative” search?

Pass. I’ll be in the Pre-Check line.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Still have pilots here who support(ed) FAs being in KCM?

 

[Screaming_Emu]

I know this is an unpopular take, but when we lose KCM it’s not going to be entirely undeserved

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I know this is an unpopular take, but when we lose KCM it’s not going to be entirely undeserved

Unpopular or otherwise, it's correct; "forgetting" where you put one of your guns frankly deserves criminal prosecution, too. Here we are, though.

 

[CFI A&P]

Whereupon it no longer is an “administrative” search?

Pass. I’ll be in the Pre-Check line.

What I fear is too many crew members skip KCM and head over to Pre-Check, the program's participation drops down enough for the alphabet organizations involved say it isn't utilized and can any sort of program, all while patting themselves on the back for finding another line item to cut.
Pistol Pete and Semi-Auto Sally keep "forgetting" and bringing prohibited items through, so the program keeps changing. Plus, humans are going to figure out whatever the system is and try to exploit it to their benefit.

Or keep the program as is, and revoke privileges, enforce the penalties, etc.

 

[jtrain609]

That's almost not a bad idea, make it two step. The new KCM run by TSA verifies you're a crewmember and advance through, but if randomed step aside and let whoever (ATF or local LEO) perform the secondary screening. Oh and enforce some of the high fines we keep being threatened with, because that'll deter people from "brought the range bag to work by mistake".

There are range bags, and there are flight bags.

Their uses should never be mixed.

 

[Roger Roger]

That's almost not a bad idea, make it two step. The new KCM run by TSA verifies you're a crewmember and advance through, but if randomed step aside and let whoever (ATF or local LEO) perform the secondary screening. Oh and enforce some of the high fines we keep being threatened with, because that'll deter people from "brought the range bag to work by mistake".

Nope. Entirely separate. TSA’s purview should be Transportation Safety. If the drug cops want to screen the airports, they can do it as their own program and coordinate with TSA how that’s going to work.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Pistol Pete and Semi-Auto Sally

I chortled.

Anyway the rest of it gets a like.

 

[CFI A&P]

There are range bags, and there are flight bags.

Their uses should never be mixed.

No argument here, and my favorite example is Ted's wife.

Ted Nugent's Wife Arrested With Gun At DFW Airport

The wife of rocker Ted Nugent told TSA screeners she forgot she was carrying a loaded gun in her bag as she tried to get through security at DFW Airport.

www.cbsnews.com