Breastfeeding F9 Pilots Want Privacy at Work

Inverted said:
Ok so they have a room in Denver, what about other bases/domiciles? I am sorry but you sound exactly like somebody without kids or a wife who has had to deal with this.
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If the place doesn't have a pumping room, use the bathroom.
 
wheelsup said:
I'm not a huge liberal but you sound like an old man talking about regulating women's birth control.

First I think it's important to point out the fact that there is FMLA which would cover this basis. But, there is certainly something to be said for how corporate America keeps women down and this is a steaming example of that.
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I never said anything about birth control, this discussion isn't about that. You're doing the old internet thing again, trying to re-frame the discussion in an attempt to make me sound sexist. Which is funny because you used the term "old-man" as if to imply that all old men are sexist, making your comment sexist as a result.

See how fun this stupid stuff is? I know you're not sexist and you know I'm not, so let's cut out the putting words in other people's mouths.
 
I'm a simpleton.

"State the grievance"

"How do you want our organization to do in order to resolve it?"

"Is the solution reasonable and consistent with our other policies?"

"If not, shall we deny the grievance or set a new precedent?"
 
poser765 said:
Um you do realize the two aren't even remotely comparable, right?

I guess it's kind of fun to equate breastfeeding mothers to active pedophiles.
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I guess the equivalent would be to do something like comparing a flasher with a pedophile. But, then again, who would do THAT?

I was addressing the "awkward" post on its' own merit. Lighten up Francis!!
 
I really don't see how you can expect to be able to pump while flying. It's an involved process, it can be a sleep inducing event, time consuming etc... If they are talking about on airport property then of course.
 
gotWXdagain said:
My main question is, is why on earth are new mothers having to go back into the cockpit with their newborns in the first place?
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gne in prog said:
How many exempted employees are exempt based on gender?
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(Q) Who can take FMLA leave?

In order to be eligible to take leave under the FMLA, an employee must:

  • work for a covered employer;
  • have worked 1,250 hours during the 12 months prior to the start of leave; (special hours of service rules apply to airline flight crew members)
  • work at a location where the employer has 50 or more employees within 75 miles; and
  • have worked for the employer for 12 months. The 12 months of employment are not required to be consecutive in order for the employee to qualify for FMLA leave. In general, only employment within seven years is counted unless the break in service is (1) due to an employee’s fulfillment of military obligations, or (2) governed by a collective bargaining agreement or other written agreement.
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poser765 said:
My god, are some people really this scared of an exposed breast...even if it's *gasp* two feet away from you? You know titties don't bite, right? She isn't going to splash and get boob juice on you.
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Nah. Not scared of teh boobehs. I'm more scared of the immediate reaction of PC and having to immediately support these chicks without thinking of any future consequences and how it affects the rest of us. Judicially this isn't going anywhere anyway. They can either 1. Just by milk at the store. Or 2. Take a FMLA and use that. Don't be suing already financially strapped airlines and spoiling it for the rest of us.

I notice that "female equality" in the professional realm always means the adjudication of a reduction in standards....

"funny that"
 
TWP said:
I never said anything about birth control, this discussion isn't about that. You're doing the old internet thing again, trying to re-frame the discussion in an attempt to make me sound sexist. Which is funny because you used the term "old-man" as if to imply that all old men are sexist, making your comment sexist as a result.

See how fun this stupid stuff is? I know you're not sexist and you know I'm not, so let's cut out the putting words in other people's mouths.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that crusty old men attempt to regulate women's health issues like they know what they are talking about.

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It took an act of Congress to finally get airline workers classified as full time employees because of that hour requirement.
 
Next thing you know, the chronic mastubators will be demanding a private area and time to "take care of business." After all, isn't that a disease too?
 
poser765 said:
My god, are some people really this scared of an exposed breast...even if it's *gasp* two feet away from you? You know titties don't bite, right? She isn't going to splash and get boob juice on you.
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I see the issue less as the other pilot being forced to have a breast exposed in front of them than the mother being forced to expose her breast to a stranger in a cramped space. I don't care, you don't care, and most men won't care, but really, can you blame the mother for wanting to have a private space? And that's not even getting in to the discussion of safety of flight.

Just saying "use the lav" is a weak response. If you have 3 two-hour flights in a day with 45 minute turns in between, are you really going to leave the cockpit and take up the first class lav for 15 minutes and expect that to be ok with everyone? I don't know what the answer is, but I feel like there has to be something better than the current situation.

azmedic said:
What if the lavs are MEL'd???
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Deny the aircraft.

Look, it's quite simple. The US and Papua New Guinea are the ONLY two countries in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave#Variation_in_international_law) that don't have any sort of required paid maternity leave. That's embarrassing. If literally the rest of the world can deal with it, certainly the most powerful economy on earth can deal with it.
 
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Cptnchia said:
Next thing you know, the chronic mastubators will be demanding a private area and time to "take care of business." After all, isn't that a disease too?
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Sounds like you're filled with hate. Lemme guess you're probably an old crusty guy right? What business is it if yours how many times a day someone needs to masturbate? They're not hurting anyone.
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Cptnchia said:
Next thing you know, the chronic mastubators will be demanding a private area and time to "take care of business." After all, isn't that a disease too?
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Technically no, it's often just a symptom of a mental illness. Think of it as a sensory response stimuli, used as a calming effect sensation. Those with mental illness, more especially those with schizophrenia, are hyper-stimulated, to the nth degree, and are literally firing on all cylinders. Just one reason why they're often witnessed having a conversation with the radio, or a television.

Another good example would that scene in Man of Steel, where in the classroom young Clark can see, and hear everything around him for miles on a level of twenty, on a scale of 1-10. He was over stimulated, same thing here. It's a coping skilled, but one of course that is heavily frowned upon in social settings. But those with mental illness typically get hyper-stimulated when out in a public setting. They tend to isolate, so when in public they're scared, or over stimulated so they "self-soothe". By blocking out all the interference.

Some individuals rock back and forth for comfort, or have any other manner of odd OCD learned behavioral rituals. To help provide an escape from over stimulation.

Masturbation for men, at least with those mental illness, is more popular because it's like touching the skin on the arm. For example. You immediately feel the touch, from the hand. Well the head of the penis is like a hundred times more sensitive, than the skin on the arm or leg. Providing a more instantaneous, and powerful simulator response (reward-motivator response). There is also a neurotransmitter response of dopamine and serotonin released into the brain, during masturbation, which helps contribute to a quicker calming effect.

I commonly see this and many other examples of self-soothing, at work. The reason, being I working at a involuntary court order psychiatric in-patient facility, on an all male unit. The patients there are petitioned against their will, and taken away from their comfort zone, and now are in a strange new environment/facility, unable to return home, or wherever they feel comfortable. So to cope, and or to block out interference/or signals. There is often a lot of what a normal person, like you or I, would conclude as inappropriate public masturbation. But to them, they're just trying to cope, block out signals, interference and or feel safe.

It's one of the more frequent things that we have to do milieu management education groups for.
 
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