Brazilian copy of the Cirrus

Again, the notion that any invention is exclusively the "property" of some arbitrary lines drawn on a map is a fantasy. And kind of a stupid one. If you must fantasize publicly, please make it more realistic. Like "everyone stays young forever, all chicks are hot, and there are ten chicks for every dude". Oh, and "booze is free".
 
Boris Badenov said:
Again, the notion that any invention is exclusively the "property" of some arbitrary lines drawn on a map is a fantasy. And kind of a stupid one.
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I agree, and I apologize to the delusional brazilian that thinks that there are no new inventions. As an aside I could show everybody a way to cook turkey that my friend figured out, but it's not an invention and I shouldn't talk.
 
You raise a fair point, and I didn't mean to suggest that everything is a zero sum game. There is such a thing as Innovation, although it seems to have been mostly forgotten in all the pursefighting. I just meant that no idea "belongs" to a Nation-State. The very idea is offensive, as it sets one person against another, both fighting for the interests of people who are great at inciting dischord, but don't have any actual ideas of their own anyone would be interested in. Well, maybe "Those (fill in the blanks) are scum!". People seem to be interested in that, bizzarely.
 
knot4u said:
I agree, and I apologize to the delusional brazilian that thinks that there are no new inventions. As an aside I could show everybody a way to cook turkey that my friend figured out, but it's not an invention and I shouldn't talk.
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Yeah, great argument. Shows how much you have to back up your point of view. I at least engaged in a logical conversation with you. You comeback like a 5th grader talking about fire, the sun, and cooking turkey.

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn

- Benjamin Franklin

Nice talking to you. Maybe try reading a book for once that doesn't have airplanes or chicks in bikinis on the cover. You may learn a thing or two.
 
embraer07 said:
Yeah, great argument. Shows how much you have to back up your point of view. I at least engaged in a logical conversation with you. You comeback like a 5th grader talking about fire, the sun, and cooking turkey.

Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn

- Benjamin Franklin

Nice talking to you. Maybe try reading a book for once that doesn't have airplanes or chicks in bikinis on the cover. You may learn a thing or two.
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It can't possibly be a Brazilian airplane now that I look at it. Not enough switches.
 
embraer07 said:
Swisspilot,

Why do you still live in Brazil? All you do is complain, whine, and bring a general negativity to all your posts regarding Brazil. Plenty of people have moved beyond the past and can be proud of what Brazil has accomplished in recent years economically and the direction it is going.

Do us all a favor and please move. If you want to play the "girlfriend" card as a reason to stay then I suggest you cool off. Your rantings and general "debbie downer" attitudes are getting OLD.

For what it's worth: Very few inventions in the past few centuries have been created from nothing. Everything around us today is a version 2.0 of an earlier invention/idea. Brazilians didn't corner that market no more than Japan did with the TV. Leave the aeroclube for a bit and open a history book...you might learn a few things.
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I no longer live in Brazil, I moved away in 2011. At the moment I`m in Brazil to see some family but I can`t wait to be back in Vanuatu.

I guess yeah in the past years lots of things have improved, favelas got bigger, if you want a decent, primary and secondary education you have to pay for it, public hsopital still look like post war ruins, the amount of peoples with credit debt raised, the rich got even richer, and many got out of poverty now that they can afford an LED TV, most of the pilots still don`t speak English...ohh yeah they opened starbucks...

My Dad has been living and working in Brazil when 10% of this country had electiricty and half of my family is Brazilian too, what I say is based on his and my years of living there and living in many other countries.
 
swisspilot said:
I no longer live in Brazil, I moved away in 2011. At the moment I`m in Brazil to see some family but I can`t wait to be back in Vanuatu.

I guess yeah in the past years lots of things have improved, favelas got bigger, if you want a decent, primary and secondary education you have to pay for it, public hsopital still look like post war ruins, the amount of peoples with credit debt raised, the rich got even richer, and many got out of poverty now that they can afford an LED TV, most of the pilots still don`t speak English...ohh yeah they opened starbucks...

My Dad has been living and working in Brazil when 10% of this country had electiricty and half of my family is Brazilian too, what I say is based on his and my years of living there and living in many other countries.
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Nothing like a little hyperbole and exageration to scream a point home.

First, good you moved away. Now if only you could emotionally and mentally move away....let it go, man!

Second, nice to know your dad is over 100 years old. That was the last time Brazil's electricity only reached 10% of the population...and today Brazil's electricity consumption is double that of most Latin American countries combined, is one of the largest networks in the world, and still manages to be largely self-sufficient in energy.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/12/11/34427493.pdf

Favelas got bigger? Where do you get that? This shows how disconnected you are.

The rich have not become richer....the poor have moved to the middle class..40 million of them since 2003. Brazil's income inequality has declined at a rapid rate..but you wouldn't know this, would you?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/gini-index-wb-data.html

Airline pilots in Brazil most certainly speak english. TAM is very strict about hiring pilots with ICAO 4 english. But you need to get out into the world more. Go to Italy and listen to their pilot's English. Or Japan, or China, or Spain, etc.... The English spoken by Brazilian pilots is very advanced in comparison. In any case, what does that have to do with anything? None of this certainly has anything to do with your original post...which was only a rant against Brazil and Brazilian culture. Typical for you.

You are on the wrong side of history. If you (and your girlfriend, no doubt) want to keep seeing Brazil through the prizim of the 80s and 70s and continue making absurd claims you will not be able to move forward. Plenty of people in the US and Europe have "discovered" Brazil in the last 12 years as a nation about much, much more than beaches, soccer, and carnival. Immigration to Brazil has accelerated and most people love Brazil, Brazilian culture, and the Brazilian people.

Have fun in Vanuatu.
 
embraer07 said:
Nothing like a little hyperbole and exageration to scream a point home.

First, good you moved away. Now if only you could emotionally and mentally move away....let it go, man!

Second, nice to know your dad is over 100 years old. That was the last time Brazil's electricity only reached 10% of the population...and today Brazil's electricity consumption is double that of most Latin American countries combined, is one of the largest networks in the world, and still manages to be largely self-sufficient in energy.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/12/11/34427493.pdf

Favelas got bigger? Where do you get that? This shows how disconnected you are.

The rich have not become richer....the poor have moved to the middle class..40 million of them since 2003. Brazil's income inequality has declined at a rapid rate..but you wouldn't know this, would you?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/gini-index-wb-data.html

Airline pilots in Brazil most certainly speak english. TAM is very strict about hiring pilots with ICAO 4 english. But you need to get out into the world more. Go to Italy and listen to their pilot's English. Or Japan, or China, or Spain, etc.... The English spoken by Brazilian pilots is very advanced in comparison. In any case, what does that have to do with anything? None of this certainly has anything to do with your original post...which was only a rant against Brazil and Brazilian culture. Typical for you.

You are on the wrong side of history. If you (and your girlfriend, no doubt) want to keep seeing Brazil through the prizim of the 80s and 70s and continue making absurd claims you will not be able to move forward. Plenty of people in the US and Europe have "discovered" Brazil in the last 12 years as a nation about much, much more than beaches, soccer, and carnival. Immigration to Brazil has accelerated and most people love Brazil, Brazilian culture, and the Brazilian people.

Have fun in Vanuatu.
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Go and show your numbers to peoples living in the interior of Maranhão, Piauí, Amapá, Acre,been there btw? I have ....and without leaving the famous cities, have you been just outside Rio de Janerio in Sao Goncalo? toured areas like Apolo II, 15 miles away from Copacabana more then 1 mio of peoples live in a city without a working water treatment plant. Have you ever been inside a CIEP??? Have you ever called an ambulance, and they tell you ohh your insurance does not cover for it so unless you pay us right away we don`t come..

Varig was an airline, they carried the Brazilian flag with pride around the world, TAM? where they fly?

I have flown in all those countries but China. In all of the countries you mentioned you need to have an ICAO 4 in order to have an ATPL or CPL...

Have you ever been to an immigration office or the Policia Federal?

It`s too easy to base your argument on something printed on a piece of paper, from a nice couch in Bela Vista SP.

Alex
 
knot4u said:
"For what it's worth: Very few inventions in the past few centuries have been created from nothing. Everything around us today is a version 2.0 of an earlier invention/idea."


You're wrong.
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But that is not the point, I think you can make an airplane to aim for the same demand/market without having to clone something, or copy the design. There is plenty of examples out there, on my side of aviation there are several examples, even if it wasn`t born as a bush plane the Caravan makes up for a large chunk of the turbine bush flying, it`s hard to make it better and easy to make something that looks just like it. A company from NZ came up with their own interpretation of bush plane: PAC 750, making something that looks/flies totally different then a Caravan but is aimed for the same market, doing things even better. The Cessna C206 is an amazing bush plane, but with higher AVGAS prices the cost of operation in proportion to useful load and volume are making the plane a bit too tight, to aim for the same market an Australian company came out with the AirVan, if you have ever been inside one you will agree that it has been designed really well, from the extra space in the tail to the cargo/pax flexibility....India is also working on a 6-7 seater to join this market, and it does not seem to be a copy of something out there already..
 
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