Brazilian copy of the Cirrus

swisspilot

swisspilot

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Brazilians are used to this kind of things, they copy stuff from abroad and then they get proud of it as they invented it, their latest:

Robado 400
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Cirrus
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Robado 400
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Cirrus
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Robado 400
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Cirrus
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shame on them!
 
To be fair, there isn't a whole lot you can do to differentiate the cockpit of two aircraft when you have the following design goals:
  • Dual, large format FD's
  • One set of critical backup steam gauges
  • Side stick controller
  • Slippery, 4-place, low-wing, non-retractable single (I mean, look at the Columbia - essentially the same look)
Does the Robaldo have an SRS? I do notice that they do not have the notch in the wing that the Cirrus has. I suppose the winglets sorta take their place as far as functionality is concerned.
 
Yes it has an SRS.

The success of the Embraers is largely due to stealing designs from other airplanes. The Brazilian Navy got the Pilatus P3s (the piston trainer on wich the PC7/T-6 Texan is based) couple years later Embraer comes out with the Tucano, at their museum they claim they invented the Ram Yoke, while post war British airplanes already had them. Neiva is an other Brazilian brand known for copying designs, from the Taylorcraft to the Airtractor...

it`s not only with airplanes but with cars too:

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Let's all get mad about it rather than realizing that the reason the thing is a viable product is that our law are totally insane.
 
swisspilot said:
Yes it has an SRS.

The success of the Embraers is largely due to stealing designs from other airplanes. The Brazilian Navy got the Pilatus P3s (the piston trainer on wich the PC7/T-6 Texan is based) couple years later Embraer comes out with the Tucano, at their museum they claim they invented the Ram Yoke, while post war British airplanes already had them. Neiva is an other Brazilian brand known for copying designs, from the Taylorcraft to the Airtractor...

it`s not only with airplanes but with cars too:
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Like all the Piper products that they LICENSED to build? I mean, licensing can't be legal now, can it?
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Like all the Piper products that they LICENSED to build? I mean, licensing can't be legal now, can it?
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Well Neiva/EMB had the rights to build them, but they didn`t really made so many of them, a Brazilian finished Cherokee Six would cost twice as much as one made in the US, same thing in Argentina with their C172s.

The reason why they made those "pipers" in Brazil was becasue the govt had put crazy protection laws to import the real thing. It was the same case with VW cars.
 
At least Brazilian things are a quality copy of the real deal and probably work properly. Unlike Chinese cars...
 
UAL747400 said:
At least Brazilian things are a quality copy of the real deal and probably work properly. Unlike Chinese cars...
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Wrong in most cases, most of the stuff you buy in Brazil is expensive and of poor quality. This is becasue their industry turned into mas production, where unskilled workers do jobs that use to be made but artisans, any US product made in China under American specifications is of really good quality. Even some Chinese copies are not bad at all, in the South Pacific they sell a lot of Panasonic knock off products made in Taiwan, I have to say they are amazing!

A pair of Nike Air, made in Brazil is 200 USD, the same pair bought in the US and made in China that costs way less is way better made.

I use to wear all stars all the time, when in 2009 I moved to Brazil I bought some here, locally made, they lasted me 4 months and the rim aorund the sole broke, the ones made in Vietnam or China use to last me more then a year. Not only the materials are not that great here, but there is no Quality Control. In 2010 my girlfriend bought an apartement in Rio de Janeiro, we got all of our forniture at this knock off IKEA (govt does not allow IKEA into Brazil), that store is among the most expensive, they sold us a table with termites already!!! The apartment, a high end for Brazilain standards is built so poorly that we can`t afford the stuff that need to be fixed..

In 2010 we bought a brand new chevrolet, it`s an opel based model, not even in a year time the car already has problems...

Anything made 25 years ago or later is bullet proof, new stuff not worth to buy. When on something they wanna state that it is high quality made they write: IMPORTADO

There are few exceptions of course
 
Chinese products of anything are all what the importer is willing to pay. It is a very linear relationship between quality/price. The importer selects the price point/ quality scale and presses go. I have seen it in many different types of products from raw speaker drivers, r/c goods, lens's etc. But they *can* make some very high quality stuff in China, you just have to pay for it. Most don't.
 
Saturn Astra or Chevy Malibu? If yes, you've just got a bad one. Neither of those are of bad quality in general. I'll agree with you on cars in general though. I have a 90s M3. Most reliable and robust M car ever made. New BMWs don't hold a candle to 80s and 90s ones in build quality. Sure the interiors are prettier and rust proofing is better on the body panels, but they'll be junk not long after the warranty runs out. The electronics just will not stand the test of time. Which is their goal, so that you'll come in and buy an new one. That being said, everyone is on the same playing field at this point. I wouldn't touch a 90s/early 2000s Hyandai, Kia, Audi, VW, Jaguar, or chrysler product with a 10 foot pole. Now, if it was something I wanted, I wouldn't hesitate going to anyone if those company's dealer lots.

Chinese cars are pure unadulterated crap though. Or should I say adulterated so badly from what they were copying that they are now pure crap? :D Plus they're so shady that no one has been successful in suing them either for their rip offs. BMW and Audi failed in Chinese courts. They're a VERY immature society, so that's not surprising I guess. I don't know if there's international courts for copy right infringement. I have absolutely zero respect for the Chinese when it comes to their auto industry. Most things in general actually, but the crap they pull in the automotive industry is criminal.
 
swisspilot said:
Brazilians are used to this kind of things, they copy stuff from abroad and then they get proud of it as they invented it, their latest:
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I don't know if this is what you were referring to, but I know at least 2 Brazilians that swear that they were the first to fly and that the Wright bros fabricated their stories.
 
Ajax BU said:
I don't know if this is what you were referring to, but I know at least 2 Brazilians that swear that they were the first to fly and that the Wright bros fabricated their stories.
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According to the rest of the world, outside the US, it was a Brazilian that first flew, he followed the FAI regulations. The Wright bros were indeed the first to set in the air with a powered flying machine, Santos Dumont did his flight later but he followed the FAI guidelines, the use of any sort of aid to get the flying machine in the air was not allowed.

If you go to Champs-Élysées in Paris, where the FAI headquarters are located it will say that SD was the first to fly. So do most of the history books around the world.

From my point of view, SD`s flight could really not been seens as a "flight", what the Wrights did just looks more like the real thing.

What is sad is, as in many things, American history books just show you one side of things, this is why many don`t even know who Santos Dumont was, even if he was really important in history and aviation, he is also the inventor of the wrist watch.
 
UAL747400 said:
Saturn Astra or Chevy Malibu? If yes, you've just got a bad one. Neither of those are of bad quality in general. I'll agree with you on cars in general though. I have a 90s M3. Most reliable and robust M car ever made. New BMWs don't hold a candle to 80s and 90s ones in build quality. Sure the interiors are prettier and rust proofing is better on the body panels, but they'll be junk not long after the warranty runs out. The electronics just will not stand the test of time. Which is their goal, so that you'll come in and buy an new one. That being said, everyone is on the same playing field at this point. I wouldn't touch a 90s/early 2000s Hyandai, Kia, Audi, VW, Jaguar, or chrysler product with a 10 foot pole. Now, if it was something I wanted, I wouldn't hesitate going to anyone if those company's dealer lots.

Chinese cars are pure unadulterated crap though. Or should I say adulterated so badly from what they were copying that they are now pure crap? :D Plus they're so shady that no one has been successful in suing them either for their rip offs. BMW and Audi failed in Chinese courts. They're a VERY immature society, so that's not surprising I guess. I don't know if there's international courts for copy right infringement. I have absolutely zero respect for the Chinese when it comes to their auto industry. Most things in general actually, but the crap they pull in the automotive industry is criminal.
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Chevrolet Corsa

I drove my 2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ (kind of a chrysler product) for 10 years, never, ever had a single problem. BMWs (owned 2 of them bought new, 318i and Z4) have always been crap, so MBs, but they are nice and cool car to drive. My favorite car was my Saab 900 turbo, it`s probably the car that gave me more problems but I love it!!!

Speaking of Chinese cars (the ones that are certified outside China) have you ever driven a JAC? For what they cost they are good cars, you get what you pay for...I haven`t heard bad thing on them so far.
 
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