Best 121 option

Fly782 said:
Alot more people?
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By that logic the pax carriers should be looking for people with way more time that FedEx, UPS, etc.

There is a little more liability in play true, but I've heard it said by certain folks in the airline biz that they're focus is on getting the flight deck to the destination on time and in one piece. If that happens, the rest will follow.....

Ultimately an airplane is an airplane.
 
TallFlyer said:
I just think its funny that with all the anecdotal evidence I've been hearing about failures in Indoc at some regionals with the sub 1,000 hour crowd that a guy with an ATP and a boatload of PIC is relegated to the circular file.
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AWAC hired a lot of experienced people who didn't work out and were let go in training. They have had a lot better result with CFI's who are willing to learn. Attitude is pretty much everything there.
 
wheelsup said:
AWAC hired a lot of experienced people who didn't work out and were let go in training. They have had a lot better result with CFI's who are willing to learn. Attitude is pretty much everything there.
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Well, at this stage in my life I'm not taking anything for granted. My attitude is get to training, work harder than the next guy while still doing the "cooperate and graduate," and take absolutely nothing for granted.

I'm under no illusion that an ATP and a lowly 2,400 hours is a guarantor of success or that should somehow grant me a free ride. I realize I may have been coming across with a bit of a chip on my shoulder the last few weeks as I'm job hunting, but the reality is I'm just looking for a solid place to hang my hat for a while as I build my resume and restart the good ol' college degree. If it was AWAC I'd go live in base at ORF or RDU close enough to the airport to be at home on ready reserve.
 
Well RDU has no ready so you'd be in ORF....

I had three CFI gigs before moving on


  1. First job. Sucked. Sat around a lot and didn't get paid. Had to shovel planes out. But it got me from 300 TT to around 500 TT in a recession which was pretty good for the time
  2. Left that job because of no multi. Next job had a multi. I flew a bit but no career students. The few that we had were fought over. I redid the website and put the search terms "mei rating" "multi engine rating" "multi engine rating florida" in the top 3 on Google. The next day a hurricane wiped out 80% of the schools planes.
  3. Left to go to a career school with guaranteed multi. Got around 285 in their BE-58's.

I guess my point is that multi has always been the key. The people that got the multi time moved on. That is why ATP is so popular, and works for so many people. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, and honestly I don't know why companies aren't calling you with your experience (it's good), but my guess is you knew the rules of the game. Multi, multi, multi. It's the college degree of the aviation world. TPIC is like the masters.

With all these electronic apps these days you can't just email/fax/snail mail your stuff in anymore, you are instantly dequal'd if you don't meet posted mins. It kinda sucks.
 
+1 Cape Air. Do it for a year, stay up north if you can (especially for a full winter), and you will be all squared away for whatever job comes your way. Don't take the easy road and hide out in the Caribbean the whole time. Make it hard on yourself. You will grow as a pilot in ways you never thought possible.
 
dasleben said:
+1 Cape Air. Do it for a year, stay up north if you can (especially for a full winter), and you will be all squared away for whatever job comes your way. Don't take the easy road and hide out in the Caribbean the whole time. Make it hard on yourself. You will grow as a pilot in ways you never thought possible.
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PM Sent. I'd be all over it, although the thought of diving on days off in the Virgin Islands sounds pretty tempting.... ;) The override and increased guarantee wouldn't hurt either, although I suspect they do that for a reason.
 
TallFlyer said:
I'd do it, but when I show up at a job fair with 38 ME (nevermind 2,400 TT, ATP) they seem to like green MEIs better. Go figure.
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No doubt. Unfortunatly insurance runs this industry and it's not that you can't get on the insurance with less than those times, you just have to be 'named'. It's easy enough to find people that meet the 'open'. But flying is fly no matter what it is and I argue singles are harder than twins. Regardless the goal is to keep the earth below the wings, air flowing over the wings, fuel flowing to the engine, and have a plan for when the feces hits the rotary oscillator.

surreal1221 said:
The best 121 option is Part 91.
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Don't I know it!

TallFlyer said:
I just think its funny that with all the anecdotal evidence I've been hearing about failures in Indoc at some regionals with the sub 1,000 hour crowd that a guy with an ATP and a boatload of PIC is relegated to the circular file.
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I think it's safe to say your decision making skills would be much better especially it you are heavy in PIC. That is the difference I (and others)notice in myself compared to my piers.

TallFlyer said:
In all honesty, if you want to go to the regionals go to one with junior bases where you'd like to live.

If you want a little more adventure check out the Omnis, etc. also Kalitta Charters or USA Jet.
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That is one reason I say Air Wisconsin. My brother lives in Raleigh so RDU would be good base. I did apply to Kalitta when it was mentioned on these boards and I have talked to someone at USA Jet but I'm really put off by their 24/7 on call. Fastest way to jet PIC i bet though. I've been wondering though, why Pinnacle, Eagle, and Express Jet get so much interest but I don't hear anyone talking about Air Wisconsin? Is it because they want to be funneled to Delta, American, or Continental rather than US Air?
 
wheelsup said:
Well RDU has no ready so you'd be in ORF....

I had three CFI gigs before moving on

  1. First job. Sucked. Sat around a lot and didn't get paid. Had to shovel planes out. But it got me from 300 TT to around 500 TT in a recession which was pretty good for the time
  2. Left that job because of no multi. Next job had a multi. I flew a bit but no career students. The few that we had were fought over. I redid the website and put the search terms "mei rating" "multi engine rating" "multi engine rating florida" in the top 3 on Google. The next day a hurricane wiped out 80% of the schools planes.
  3. Left to go to a career school with guaranteed multi. Got around 285 in their BE-58's.
I guess my point is that multi has always been the key. The people that got the multi time moved on. That is why ATP is so popular, and works for so many people. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, and honestly I don't know why companies aren't calling you with your experience (it's good), but my guess is you knew the rules of the game. Multi, multi, multi. It's the college degree of the aviation world. TPIC is like the masters.

With all these electronic apps these days you can't just email/fax/snail mail your stuff in anymore, you are instantly dequal'd if you don't meet posted mins. It kinda sucks.
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Cannot agree more. I came from ATP to AWAC with 1050TT and 650ME. I also can't stress the "good attitude" enough. For some reason, those guys liked my 19 year old self enough to hire me. I personally think its because I told them I'm here to listen and learn. We had a great vibe throughout the interview... Through training and OE, here I am.

Bottom line, get the mins and keep the communication going with HR.
 
Vapor Lock said:
I've been wondering though, why Pinnacle, Eagle, and Express Jet get so much interest but I don't hear anyone talking about Air Wisconsin? Is it because they want to be funneled to Delta, American, or Continental rather than US Air?
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There is no "funneling" anymore, sir. Its gonna be a rat race out there.
 
BTpilot said:
There is no "funneling" anymore, sir. Its gonna be a rat race out there.
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Well that makes me wonder even more. I did just hear the other day that Delta has interview agreements with their regional carriers. Also noted that when majors hire they are most interested in their regional carrier pilots.
 
Vapor Lock said:
This might not be the best place for this but i wanted to narrow down the audience. Momentum seems to be swinging to the 121 side of the industry so I'm thinking of making a change. I have 4000 total time, 3700 PIC, 2000 Turbine 1700 Turbine PIC but its PC12. A little over 800 multi, 500 of which is baron PIC and the rest is Jetstream SIC. So the question is who should I be looking at? Really didn't want to do the regional thing but I guess I may have too. Air Wisconsin is first option since pay is better. Thoughts please!
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Go to Air Wisconsin ASAP. Do it now. You could live in Raleigh!
 
Get your 100 hours multi and apply to AWAC. This is fact and not rumor (heard it from the guy doing the hiring) but AWAC is doing two classes of 8 this year and hiring around 120 guys next year.
 
MOONWOLF said:
rumor is RDU is closing...
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well don't tell me that!

I put my resume in online on the first of November but the application window closed on the 30th of October apparently. We shall see what happens though. Multi time is not the problem, I have 900. Haven't flown a twin in 2 years though so that's been keeping me from getting past the phone interviews in the 135 world.
 
D.E.N.N.I.S. said:
Were you under the impression this industry makes sense?

I don't know why things are the way they are. I do know that everything always boils down to a bottom line and if the insurance company wants X amount of ME time, you're probably not going to get looked at with less.

This may blow your mind, but if you don't have the mins for a job you want then....drumroll.....get the mins.

I know everyone's situation is different, but I'm sure there has been pilots in your shoes before that figured it out
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That's what I did! Logging 35-40 hrs a month and home every night... Even when I break down.
 
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