B-Jet crash in San Diego

I got my 525(s) type and 500 series citation SIC endorsement at LOFT.

No issues and I didn’t find it terrible.
I have 5 type ratings. Got my first 525 and then my 525s at Loft. They were the worst. Cheap, yes, but objectively the worst training I’ve ever had. I think one of my critiques was in response to someone who said they never had scheduling problems and were always available and I said that was because they never fixed anything on their sim. Their manuals had numerous errors in them as well. Just bad.
 
Nope. I’ve never seen that before. It’s not in any of the documents we’re provided and it was never covered in indoc or systems. Punch the numbers into acars and hit send. If acars doesn’t work, there’s a backup app on the iPad that does the same thing as acars. There was no “performance” day during ground.

That app is probably the equivalent of the wiz wheel, just way more accurate. None of the airbus have a wheel. Just ACARS and then an app (or a phone call to dispatch to get them to do it for you). That said, the AFM or equivalent will have all of the tables and charts. That should be available to you somewhere.
 
They give you a quick upgrade deal, and you make yourself a smoking hole in the ground, they are on the liabiiity hook. Something they don’t want to risk, so I get it.
Any jet I would make a smoking hole in I would have been trained and checked in to the company’s training manual, regardless if I already held the type. Also, I already went through their full ground and sim (albeit 6 years ago).
 
They give you a quick upgrade deal, and you make yourself a smoking hole in the ground, they are on the liabiiity hook. Something they don’t want to risk, so I get it.
Plenty of their clients have become smoking holes in the ground. The main issue is that the syllabus and training curriculum require specific approvals. Probably not worth it for an aircraft that is mainly flown single pilot.
 
It’s kind of funny coming from 135 to 121 because I feel like there’s a lot they withhold in terms of information. I’ve never seen the CG envelope for the CRJ. It’s not in any manual that’s made available to me. Just send off the data and plug in the numbers 🤷‍♂️
It's wild how as you move up the ladder, the training gets worse and worse. My best training was at a 135 freight company. I knew the airplane pretty well and had to do the check ride with a fed in the airplane. CAE/FSI were pretty in depth, but spent too much time on trivial BS. When I went to a regional, it was very thorough. I think ground school was 3 weeks with multiple tests on various subjects. Major airline training was 3 days of indoc, which consists of mostly HR and management types coming around, followed by extensive CBT modules.
 
I have 5 type ratings. Got my first 525 and then my 525s at Loft. They were the worst. Cheap, yes, but objectively the worst training I’ve ever had. I think one of my critiques was in response to someone who said they never had scheduling problems and were always available and I said that was because they never fixed anything on their sim. Their manuals had numerous errors in them as well. Just bad.

I did all of my training in the aircraft when I was there. They didn’t have a sim. I think it was 2007. Sounds like things have changed a bit 🤷‍♂️
 
Nope. I’ve never seen that before. It’s not in any of the documents we’re provided and it was never covered in indoc or systems. Punch the numbers into acars and hit send. If acars doesn’t work, there’s a backup app on the iPad that does the same thing as acars. There was no “performance” day during ground.

How about searching deep for limitations, as in the book of limitations, not just the memory item oral test question bank of limitations. You should have access to the standard table of MGW and CG windows like what is on the bottom of that See Gee wheel.
 
How about searching deep for limitations, as in the book of limitations, not just the memory item oral test question bank of limitations. You should have access to the standard table of MGW and CG windows like what is on the bottom of that See Gee wheel.

I got nothing like that at my airline. Also, got zero training on anything performance or w&b. Was essentially shows a sheet for 30 seconds and then was told how to plug in the automated numbers that come back from HQ.

Going deep into the manuals 2 years later kind of defeats the point.
 
One of the other Dads at my kids school works at Apple. His team just hired Daniel Williams, ex drummer for Devil Wears Prada. He was on that plane, kind of a bummer to talk with him and telling me how cool that guy was and how excited they were to have him there.

This duty we sometimes take for granted, but whether you’re a private pilot, corporate pilot or a wide body captain… It doesn’t matter, ADM is so important and the wrong decision can kill someone who has no idea of the risk you just took.

Fly safe all
 
This duty we sometimes take for granted, but whether you’re a private pilot, corporate pilot or a wide body captain… It doesn’t matter, ADM is so important and the wrong decision can kill someone who has no idea of the risk you just took.

Fly safe all
Totally. I imagine it’s the same if you flew an owner/family, but when I was doing medevac a bunch of the flight nurses were there the whole 6 years I worked there through 3 different airframes and a lot of other pilots who came and went. The absolute faith they put in me and my FOs at 3 AM in southeast Alaska in the winter is probably the highest compliment to my work that I could have gotten.
 
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Nope. I’ve never seen that before. It’s not in any of the documents we’re provided and it was never covered in indoc or systems. Punch the numbers into acars and hit send. If acars doesn’t work, there’s a backup app on the iPad that does the same thing as acars. There was no “performance” day during ground.
The CRJ CG envelope is in the CRJ AFM. Our regional airline didn’t put it in the volume 1 or volume 2 of the AOM. I had to ask the training people for it and the fleet manager printed a copy of the CRJ-700 CG envelope from the Bombardier CRJ-700 AFM.

The manufacturer CG envelope was different from the airline approved CG envelope that was depicted on the CG whiz wheel. The airline one was more restrictive.
 
That app is probably the equivalent of the wiz wheel, just way more accurate. None of the airbus have a wheel. Just ACARS and then an app (or a phone call to dispatch to get them to do it for you). That said, the AFM or equivalent will have all of the tables and charts. That should be available to you somewhere.
No the app is just a mirror of the acars on an ipad. Exactly the same you just need cell service or wifi to run it so in the air it’s useless. If that doesn’t work on the ground you call a chief and they run the numbers on their ipad acars. I’m telling you none of the documents we are given access to show it. Anywhere.
 
The CRJ CG envelope is in the CRJ AFM. Our regional airline didn’t put it in the volume 1 or volume 2 of the AOM. I had to ask the training people for it and the fleet manager printed a copy of the CRJ-700 CG envelope from the Bombardier CRJ-700 AFM.

The manufacturer CG envelope was different from the airline approved CG envelope that was depicted on the CG whiz wheel. The airline one was more restrictive.
I’m sure it’s somewhere, it has to be. Every other jet I’ve flown I’ve had access to all the performance charts and weight and balance. Not here. I’m sure I could ask for it, but throughout training it was never discussed and was never made available.
 
We have access to the performance handbook in our EFB. I’ve never dug into it but I imagine that information is in there.

That whiz wheel picture gave me flashbacks to doing weight and balance in the Navajo, sometimes 10+ legs in a day.
 
I've become very familiar with LOFT over the past year. Would not recommend to anyone except for those who must get trained quickly and FSI/CAE can't get them in on any reasonable timeline.

There are a few individual instructors who are pretty good. Their snack/drink lounge is kind of cool. Everything else is a mess. I have numerous stories about that place only suitable for telling offline. WILD stories.
 
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