Avoiding the Regionals...

That's not accurate with FlyI. Comair and ExpressJet would be flying 737's on DAL and CAL routes, where ACA split from their United (and Delta?) contract and started FlyI, flying A320's for themselves and not anybody else.

You CAN NOT have a regional flying equipment as large, or larger than the mainline carrier. Then they're not a feeder company, they're a sister company flying for drastically lower wages. When that happens we're all fux0r.
 
:yeahthat:

It's not the jets that are the problem, it's the management setting the pay... But they're trying to stay competitive, so it must be the starving CFI's willing to work for cheap... But they need to eat too, so it's really the flight school wages that are at fault... But insurance is expensive, so it's really the insurance companies that are to blame... But if GA aircraft weren't so expensive and dangergous, they would cost less to insure, so, really, the GA manufacturerers are to blame... but they're expensive to manufacture because of all the FAA certification regulations, so really it's the feds... but the Feds just want to keep us safe, so really it's all the GA guys killing themselves off that are the problem...

So! If the GA guys become better plots, then the Feds would back off on the certification requirements, so the manufacturers could make cheaper planes to insure, so the flight schools could pay thier instructors more, so the CFI's would demand higer wages from the regionals, so the majors would have to increase wages to keep pace with the regionals, and then they woudl have to hire better looking flight attendants to be able to compete with the other airlines, and then we could all walk down the street with four beautiful flight attendants on our arms like Leonorda DiCaprio if only those damn GA guys would get thier crap together!

So, help your career! Smash a Bonanza with your car TODAY!





<...and a pa-rtri-dge in a pear treeeeeeeeee...>
 
SFLAX said:
But remember it is against the law to just fire a person for som BS reason. People would sue and then the companies would pay. Works like this in all other industry.
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[Employment Law 101 hijack]Employment in nearly every U.S. state (other than Montana, oddly enough) is "at-will." "At-will" employment means that your employment may be terminated, by you or your employer, at any time and for any reason. You may be fired for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, so long as it is not an illegal reason (i.e., age, race, gender, religion, participation in a protected activity). When an employee group brings in a union, one of the first things that the union does is try to negotiate a just cause provision and a grievance/arbitration provision into the collective bargaining agreement (under the RLA, the grievance/arbitration mechanism is the System Board of Adjustment, and it is mandatory). A just cause provision generally requires that the employer have a good reason to discipline an employee, and the grievance/arbitration machinery provides an avenue by which the employee can challenge discipline.

So, to sum up, without a union, you are "at-will" and can, in fact, be fired for "some BS reason." With a union, you will have just cause protection and cannot, generally, be fired without a good reason.

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CaptnJim,

I seem perfect for Mesa, then you do not know me at all. You need to come down to the crew room one day to see what I am like. Most of the time if you see my comments, are just to play the other side of the coin. I do not agree with most airlines managements decisions. And I am ready for a fight over our next contract. But there needs to be a change in this industry, and I am just trying to find out what it is. We will never go back to the 1950's. This race to the bottom has affective everyone, I have already accepted the fact that to own more then a condo I am going to have to move. I only say things to try to get at the core issuses. As for senority list, I know why we have it and we need it. As for pay and benefits, there needs to be a new way to look at them, or a better system to pay pilots, especially at mesa. Don't worry JO will bring his check book to the next contract. I also like to watch people get all fired up over stuff I say. But I have never insulted a person or deemned them lower then myself. As for the FA getting fired or a pilot for taking a soda, I agree it is stealing, and the someone will always be made an example for the masses. At mesa we had an FA fired for hooking on the over nights, the only reason was that she used the company hotel room.
 
So... you're pretty much just a flame baiter? Awesome. Your stock just went up! Keep the great ideas coming, I'm sure they're useful to us all.

I'm sure you're great in the crew room, but all we know of know of you here is what you post.
 
SFLAX said:
CaptnJim,

At mesa we had an FA fired for hooking on the over nights, the only reason was that she used the company hotel room.
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Was she hot?
 
Jim,

So when some one suggest an idea that may not be kosher, you call them flame baiting. But if are to move forward in this industry we need to look at all ideas. Management is always looking a trying new things, why can't we.
 
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CapnJim said:
:yeahthat:

It's not the jets that are the problem, it's the management setting the pay... But they're trying to stay competitive, so it must be the starving CFI's willing to work for cheap... But they need to eat too, so it's really the flight school wages that are at fault... But insurance is expensive, so it's really the insurance companies that are to blame... But if GA aircraft weren't so expensive and dangergous, they would cost less to insure, so, really, the GA manufacturerers are to blame... but they're expensive to manufacture because of all the FAA certification regulations, so really it's the feds... but the Feds just want to keep us safe, so really it's all the GA guys killing themselves off that are the problem...

So! If the GA guys become better plots, then the Feds would back off on the certification requirements, so the manufacturers could make cheaper planes to insure, so the flight schools could pay thier instructors more, so the CFI's would demand higer wages from the regionals, so the majors would have to increase wages to keep pace with the regionals, and then they woudl have to hire better looking flight attendants to be able to compete with the other airlines, and then we could all walk down the street with four beautiful flight attendants on our arms like Leonorda DiCaprio if only those damn GA guys would get thier crap together!

So, help your career! Smash a Bonanza with your car TODAY!





<...and a pa-rtri-dge in a pear treeeeeeeeee...>
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Perfect.
 
Once again a pilot playing the mature card. I see why management must laugh at us while at the club.
 
SFLAX said:
But if are to move forward in this industry we need to look at all ideas. Management is always looking a trying new things, why can't we.
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Which is why I'm skeptical that they fired the FA who was hooking on layovers. The potential revenue from pimping the FAs on layovers would have caught their attention right away.

Think what that would do for frequent flier programs.
 
It'd be a real ringer in the original PSA's old "Fly ME!" ad campaign.

(or whoever that was)
 
greaper007 said:
Mesa has a pretty good upgrade time right now though, don't they? What's the upgrade at express jets or american eagle, like 5 years? It seems like you take what you can get to better your life. If you might have a chance to move on to somewhere bigger why not take a quick upgrade and deal with the low pay and bad work rules.
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I'm understand that not everyone agrees with this, however, this is what several major airline pilots have suggested I do. I'm not talking about whoring yourself out. That would be somewhere like Gulfstream or the now defunct Tab Express. I've known lots of people that really liked Mesa, one of our instructors was back in town the other day. He just got a job at Mesa and said that beyond working a lot he couldn't see why they were looked down upon. That and he said that at 2500 hours he'd probably upgrade.

Granted, if you were older and didn't want to start again at another airline. Somewhere like Mesa or Colgan probably wouldn't be the best place for you to work. However, I've read many times on this board that you get to pick from a few different things when starting out at a regional. QOL, Pay, Upgrade time. You only get to pick one.

Besides wasn't Doug the one that said to stay on the 1900 and get the PIC time on his career profile?
 
greaper007 said:
Besides wasn't Doug the one that said to stay on the 1900 and get the PIC time on his career profile?
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That was written back in the day when a CRJ-700/900 was called a DC-9.
 
Flamebait killer:

You guys are sooooo right! Mesa is so totally awesome!! Like, who cares how much money you make as long as you get the turbine time right??? Then you can go be an 1337 777 f0!!!!1!!!!111ONEONEONEONE!!!
 
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