Aviation Downturns

People like you? Not really sure what that is supposed to mean. The system isn’t against you. It doesn’t know you or care about you. The system is what it is. It’s not perfect, but it’s what is used to hire pilots. Accept it, learn how to deal with it, or find a new career.

Transgender/non-binary/gender non-conforming is the implication as I read it.
 
These are people that aren’t at my shop yet, but somewhere in the training pipeline. I would agree with you that most new hires at my places are excited and happy to be here.
Gotcha. I misread then. It seemed like they were people just getting to a legacy. I was wondering who you were all hiring 😂
 
Transgender/non-binary/gender non-conforming is the implication as I read it.
I meant "people like me," as in "people like me." I don't fit the cookie cutter. I'm a trash fish. I don't come from money, or even middle class. I bought my first suit ever for an airline interview.

Airline interviews appear to be designed to screen for white collar people with a certain type of charisma. Doesn't mean "only rich people get hired," but prep has taught me that it's ultimately a roleplaying event.
But any event where you're primarily telling stories is a measure of sociability, nothing more. You're playing the role of the humble, honest person who has learned from their mistakes and grown, and wants nothing more than to be a pilot for $AIRLINE_THAT_IS_INTERVIEWING_THEM.
And you may actually be a humble, sincere, honest person who has learned from their mistakes and grown, and wants nothing more than to be a pilot for !$, but that's not enough. You have to be able to demonstrate that by telling stories and talking yourself up in a humble, sincere, honest, resilient way, rather than letting your reputation and the opinion of those you've flown with speak for your character, and your qualifications speak for your experience.

I believe that I'm good at what I do, and that's reinforced by what people I fly with tell me. Is it objectively true? No idea. Am I the sort of person that the major airlines want? Obviously not. Am I going to magically change into that person the next time they interview me? No, I'm just me. If they hit the point where they're willing to hire me, it's not that I've become better, somehow, it's that their standards have fallen to that point, or I managed to "trick" them into seeing me that way.

That is what I mean by "people like me."

But yeah, when I get misgendered by interviewers who don't apologize or correct themselves the next time after I politely correct them, yeah, I mean, I do wonder about that, too.
 
I meant "people like me," as in "people like me." I don't fit the cookie cutter. I'm a trash fish. I don't come from money, or even middle class. I bought my first suit ever for an airline interview.

Airline interviews appear to be designed to screen for white collar people with a certain type of charisma. Doesn't mean "only rich people get hired," but prep has taught me that it's ultimately a roleplaying event.
But any event where you're primarily telling stories is a measure of sociability, nothing more. You're playing the role of the humble, honest person who has learned from their mistakes and grown, and wants nothing more than to be a pilot for $AIRLINE_THAT_IS_INTERVIEWING_THEM.
And you may actually be a humble, sincere, honest person who has learned from their mistakes and grown, and wants nothing more than to be a pilot for !$, but that's not enough. You have to be able to demonstrate that by telling stories and talking yourself up in a humble, sincere, honest, resilient way, rather than letting your reputation and the opinion of those you've flown with speak for your character, and your qualifications speak for your experience.

I believe that I'm good at what I do, and that's reinforced by what people I fly with tell me. Is it objectively true? No idea. Am I the sort of person that the major airlines want? Obviously not. Am I going to magically change into that person the next time they interview me? No, I'm just me. If they hit the point where they're willing to hire me, it's not that I've become better, somehow, it's that their standards have fallen to that point, or I managed to "trick" them into seeing me that way.

That is what I mean by "people like me."

But yeah, when I get misgendered by interviewers who don't apologize or correct themselves the next time after I politely correct them, yeah, I mean, I do wonder about that, too.

Again, what prep? You fail to answer the simplest questions when again, someone is trying to help. The prep you’re getting is either poor prep, or you’re so jaded you’re getting nothing out of the prep.

As for the “white collar” comment, you couldn’t be more wrong…again. I’ve hired furloughed/soon to be airline pilots in 20 year old suits (as that’s probably the last they wore it) or kids into our pipeline program wearing their dad’s suit. I couldn’t care less. I don’t care what they wear, I do care if they put the time and effort to show up in a pressed shirt and groomed appropriately. Prep shows that you care enough to want the job and are willing to put in a little effort.

Time and time again you’ve proven that you’re not someone who’s willing to put in the time and effort to get the dream job. I guarantee that is coming out in an interview. Why should they hire you? The amount of complaining you’ve done on here about the process, if you put that time and effort with myself/derg and good interview prep, I guarantee you would have been employed.

Finally, again, idk how to say this softly. YOU’RE NOT SPECIAL. Nothing about your background, past life experiences, upbringing, social status, or gender is something I haven’t seen 10x before. Stop trying to use it as an excuse to why you haven’t gotten a job. You haven’t gotten a job because of your attitude and willingness to put in the work.

/fullstop
 
I gotta say, speaking as a person who has literally offered to fly out to wherever you are, sit down and work with you through the headwinds, I think you’d benefit by listening to JHugz, especially before your next interview. Like NASA launching a rocket: “Work the problem”

And, quite frankly, people would absolutely kill for the opportunity to sit down with someone who even offered a telephone call to talk about it.
 
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