Attendance tracking

JordanD said:
I hate this crap. Just makes everyone's life harder when they're legitimately fatigured or sick.
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Mere compliance is necessary but not sufficient to assure safety. “Well it’s FAR and PWA legal” is the MINIMUM standard, and not some magical recipe for success.

I always get a chuckle out of the monthly FRMT naughty list. “We told them this was a problem. Y’all be careful now, y’hear?”
 
mikecweb said:
Had an FO with the sticker on the camera but also had it linked to his personal apple account and was texting using the company ipad.
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“It’s ok, I purchased NordVPN! I can safely engage in all sorts of illegal activity! I bought the “UltraSafe” package!”

Umm…
 
BobDDuck said:
Me too clauses work the other way around. That sounds way more like a CP who just doesn't have the balls to tell their pilots that he's coming after them.
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You are correct in a sense that it is how it is currently working.

The point system was sort of used like how some seatbelt laws are used. Secondary infractions. You couldn't pull over a person for not wearing a seatbelt but if you caught them speeding without a seatbelt you could add that infraction onto them as well.

We had pilots near it even above "termination" levels of points and they did nothing about it beyond a phone call to the pilot. However, if they were called into the office for something else then you better believe they would use the points as ammo for discipline.

Ultimately the point systems were massively flawed from the start. One way to reduce your point total is to not call out sick during a calendar quarter. That means if you called out sick for a two day trip (.5 points per day) in January you would have to wait till July for that point to potentially drop off. The same goes for a person that calls out sick at the end of March. Vastly different punishment for the same "crime."

It creates scenarios where you can have two different people call out sick the exact same amount of times in a year but have two completely different point totals. Absolute trash system IMO.

Heck it causes a huge problem if you call out sick on a carry-out trip leading into a new quarter. That taints both quarters.
 
mikecweb said:
Had an FO with the sticker on the camera but also had it linked to his personal apple account and was texting using the company ipad.
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I have seen CAs connect to the free wifi at my shop. That requires a login that they could easily target. "Hey wait a minute, X person wasn't on this flight..."
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
They have made people see a Doc that then reports findings back to your employer. Findings can result in termination.
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I still don't get the mechanics of this though. Let's say you bang out sick, and a day or two later, CP asks you to do this. If you are better by then, I guess it is a crap shoot. But if you aren't, what are they going to do? Run a "seasonal cold" lab on you and see if you have it? This whole exercise seems ripe for a lawsuit and an early retirement-worthy settlement in either case, which is probably not what they want. They aren't legal idiots, so I'd guess there's more to these stories, if I were a betting man
 
///AMG said:
I still don't get the mechanics of this though. Let's say you bang out sick, and a day or two later, CP asks you to do this. If you are better by then, I guess it is a crap shoot. But if you aren't, what are they going to do? Run a "seasonal cold" lab on you and see if you have it? This whole exercise seems ripe for a lawsuit and an early retirement-worthy settlement in either case, which is probably not what they want. They aren't legal idiots, so I'd guess there's more to these stories, if I were a betting man
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Verbiage in our CBA says they can ask, doesn't say I must provide them one ;)
 
///AMG said:
I still don't get the mechanics of this though. Let's say you bang out sick, and a day or two later, CP asks you to do this. If you are better by then, I guess it is a crap shoot. But if you aren't, what are they going to do? Run a "seasonal cold" lab on you and see if you have it? This whole exercise seems ripe for a lawsuit and an early retirement-worthy settlement in either case, which is probably not what they want. They aren't legal idiots, so I'd guess there's more to these stories, if I were a betting man
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Most likely this is reserved for the worst of the worst offenders, as logistically, it is a nightmare for both parties. It's the nuclear option.
 
///AMG said:
I still don't get the mechanics of this though. Let's say you bang out sick, and a day or two later, CP asks you to do this. If you are better by then, I guess it is a crap shoot. But if you aren't, what are they going to do? Run a "seasonal cold" lab on you and see if you have it? This whole exercise seems ripe for a lawsuit and an early retirement-worthy settlement in either case, which is probably not what they want. They aren't legal idiots, so I'd guess there's more to these stories, if I were a betting man
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You can’t be a Pollyanna company man and find out how this process works. If you’re open minded and you listen eventually you’ll fly with someone who survived the process. Frankly, it’s pretty scary.
 
🦈💜 said:
I try to explain, but people tell me IDK what I'm talking about
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I mean the same clown who was all "Oh! you'll know this!" while doing his propeller system QCQ on the Brasilia didn't want to listen about computers, etc., despite the fact I was literally paying my bills as a developer, because sure as snot the EM2 wouldn't. :D
 
DE727UPS said:
At UPS you would get a wellness check call from an ACP on your sixth sick call in a rolling 12 months. The correct answer was "I'm fine, thanks for your concern" and keep saying that until they hang up.
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Last year I got a call on my third within 12 months. Definitely wasn’t expecting it. No other discipline issue or call off’s during holidays or before/after vacation. I’m guessing it was because it was during peak.
We had a 75 full of JS’ers the week before and several of them were coughing. Guess what I was doing a week later :rolleyes:.
 
They bring in those extra managers during peak. Those guys gotta have "something" to do. Like harass the hourly's. You should have told him you get two more sick calls before you have to talk to him....haha.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
You can’t be a Pollyanna company man and find out how this process works. If you’re open minded and you listen eventually you’ll fly with someone who survived the process. Frankly, it’s pretty scary.
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I think I am pretty open minded. I mean, I definitely didn't get here by being a company man in the navy :) But I just haven't seen such a thing. Granted I haven't been here as long as you have
 
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