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nycronnie23

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I really don't know where to post this question, but decided to give it a shout out in airline pilot's section since you guys have been thru the ATP experience.

With the new rules in effect coming 8/1/14, everyone is hustling to take ATP Written before then so they can get "grand-fathered in" to avoid the ridiculous & absurdity of getting a sign off to even take the written exam. However, my question is since it is good for 24 calendar months 7/31/16 & you are unable to build up to 1500 hours or do ATP practical. Is the knowledge test still good when it expires if I am employed by a part 121 carrier? I have heard of people with expired writtens prior to new rule allowing to take practical with expired ATP written exams.

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Pilots may not use an ATP expired knowledge test that was taken on or before 7/31/14 to take practical test EVEN if they are currently employed by an air carrier
saw this on sheppardair & my reaction = SMH
 
Generally to be employed by an airline you must have the minimum ATP requirements. I believe mostly all the regionals require ATP minimums to be completed before date of hire.
 
I'm figuring that we're just going to give you another written test that counts in ground school and call it good, although I'll also admit that I'm somewhat out of touch with how we're going to handle it.
 
okay i understand freecos, but lets say i have atp minimums & expired atp written exam but did not take atp checkride yet can i still use my expired written for practical?
 
Do the written now and it's good for 24 months. You must take the practical within those 24 months to qualify under the old rules.

If you're on the outside looking in, this sucks big time.
 
oh yea i just got my CFI license around 300 TT, just need to get MEI and build up 1200 hours before 24 calendar months sounds doable but with aviation prepare for the worst, hope for the best although if • gets any worse i might have to rethink that phrase lol
 
nycronnie23 said:
yea thats my next step now sorting through to find a cfi job where I can build that time
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Look for jobs that provide instruction to foreigners. It's a tougher job sometimes, but there is always a steady stream of incoming students. As far as steady flying goes, American students were hit and miss for me, but my Chinese guys were here to get flying and get back home.
 
The FAA can be sued by the pilot profession! I'm willing to "invest" $$$$ into the lawsuit need be. Enough pilots cry out foul, things can be done to change it. $10,000+ on top high training costs already burdened by pilots? Unprecedented! The is just ridiculous demands and burdens placed on pilots by the FAA. It's unattainable (looking at the poverty rate) by the average american seeking an education/profession to better themselves.

My uneducated guess is: The FAA will exempt those seeking to fly in the airlines( Part 121- regionals/commuters). So part of the airline interview will be to pass some kind of a moc written exam (i.e. something similar to a ShepAir practice tests/resulting in a passing score before being given a job offer). Once hired you'll complete the new hire course which includes level D Sim ride (just like the ATP Written law requires) you'll then be qualified to take your ATP Written exam (which you will be prepared for).

It's not only the smart thing to do, it's also the most ethical route which our beloved FAA could take to abolish such a high BARRIER of ENTRY into the pilot profession. I don't see this ATP Written law lasting long term. It does nothing to enhance "safety" if you ask me.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I'm figuring that we're just going to give you another written test that counts in ground school and call it good, although I'll also admit that I'm somewhat out of touch with how we're going to handle it.
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Yeah I just don't see this being a big deal in 121. With some minor modifications to the training syllabus you'll cover all the prerequisites pretty easily. What sucks, sucks is 135 pax ops (like mine) that require the ATP for some of their flying. Time in a level D sim in order to fly VFR commuter in a Navajo is beyond useless and unneccessary. On the other hand, it's probably good for me personally.
 
If the FAA wanted to revoke the new reqs, what would be the process and how long would it take?
 
Beech90 said:
Sorry. Revoke the written, not the entire ATP rule. I agree with the 1500, not the written.
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While I can't say I've heard anything one way or another, though I'm out of the loop, I believe that if 121 is your goal, this won't be a big deal. With the industry the way it currently is, airlines are going to have to fund/provide the training required for your ATP written. There's just no way it is going to stand the way it is and still have people show up for class.

That said, I would have to agree that for smaller 135 operators the new requirements might be a bit much.
 
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