NovemberEcho
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They’ve re-approved flight deck training for controllers so if any of y’all got flights out of PHL or EWR and wouldn’t mind some company let’s coordinate (so long as I don’t have to shave my beard)
ATC flight deck training returns
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DE727UPS
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Pilots can have beards nowadays.
Small handful of airlines and some are still pretty strict on jumpseaters not having them too. There’s even a popup warning when you list on AA that says they won’t let you jumpseat with a beard.
Sucks I don’t see a time where I’ll be allowed to have one, but I’m sure my wife is grateful.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
I had a pretty good one going by the middle of my 34 days off in August/September
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
For Passenger 121 US Carriers, I think it's just down to Sun Country.
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
I just confirmed that jumpseaters with beards are allowed at UPS. Philly is a big hub for UPS but the outbounds leave between about 2 and 5am, so there's that.
Did Hawaiian do away with it after the merger?
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Come to SFO, I'll move heaven and earth to get you on the JS.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Yes. The VP of Flight Ops and CP swore that it was a safety issue. Their evidence was a 1980s study by the FAA (on mask only systems) and a marking on the EOS mask in some of the planes that warms beards may not seal. They ignored the 3 more recent studies done that show there is no issue with a mask sealing around a beard. When called out on that fact they doubled down and maintained it was about safety.
I think if they had just come out and said it was a marketing thing, guys would have been angry and then moved on, but instead they blew what little credibility they had with the pilots by basically lying about the reasons.
