JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
I mean, considering anyone that flies out west has probably regularly had their GPS jammed, it's more of an "oh no!" Anyway." kind of thing with IRS/DME/DME, etc.
Now all this talk about gyros has me hungry.
At least 1 dead as plane with 7 aboard crashes into lake
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Now all this talk about gyros has me hungry.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Definitely not taking the previous crew's alignment out that way, thanks!
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
And you’re also non-radar most of the time below 10k east of the sierras/west of the front range arent you?
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
People say I'm excessively pessimistic on here, but wow.
Worst thing that will happen is a lot of long ATC delays. Not sure how VOR to VOR non-radar is comparable to instrument failures/ partial panel.
Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
Just in case it wasnt apparent - I wasn't flexing. When I'm shooting approaches to mins on the six pack and janky autopilot I'm prepared and at 110% alertness. If things start to get weird I'll see it right away and go missed.
If I was back in the Beechjunk and I lost both PFDs going into the clouds there would certainly be a second or three of "OH FUUUU" before hopefully getting my head together and flying the teeny tiny backups to a safe altitude and heading
The only time we ever had to hand fly / shoot an approach on backups in the sim we had a few seconds to get everything stable and your head in the game before flipping to Emer power.
TL;DR If you're ahead of the airplane and not surprised you can be a hero. If you're surprised you need to rely on superior airmanship. Bad place to be.
If I was back in the Beechjunk and I lost both PFDs going into the clouds there would certainly be a second or three of "OH FUUUU" before hopefully getting my head together and flying the teeny tiny backups to a safe altitude and heading
The only time we ever had to hand fly / shoot an approach on backups in the sim we had a few seconds to get everything stable and your head in the game before flipping to Emer power.
TL;DR If you're ahead of the airplane and not surprised you can be a hero. If you're surprised you need to rely on superior airmanship. Bad place to be.
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ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Pretty much every night I fly to Florida from Vegas. *Ding*ADS-B 1 and 2 fault.
JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
I remember on my captain IOE trying to get around some pretty gnarly thunderstorms around southern UT in solid turbulence and IMC getting a laundry list of blue EICAS messages. "WHAT THE.... oh, yeah, Area 51 or something."
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
A Brasilia crew at previous-employer—I forget the exact sequence of events and cause, but something happened that resulted in a complete electrical failure in IMC near the final approach fix in mountainous terrain because is there any other time for that, and compounding the situation, the auto-transfer that was supposed to happen to keep the flight instruments on, did not happen either. The Captain, in a moment of complete genius, quickly reached up and hit the emergency transfer switch, doing what the electrical system should have done automatically, which gave them their flight instruments back and enough to land.
"Code brown!"
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
In any context... a change in one's inertial reference frame must first be noticed before it can be dealt with. For us humans, math is typically hard. Most of us do not internalize and make intuitive the concept of, say, L = (1/2) d v2 s CL. Those that do typically become astronauts or aeronatical engineers. Therefore, we more evolutionarily common humans must apprehend our world and identify changes to it first through our asses. It's our assess that first alert us to look at our instruments, verify the truth of the situation, and make the required adjustments.
Luxury cars and SUVs and other rolling Barka-loungers are soft and squishy and quite comfortable. They are made for lazy people. They are made to be massive and comfortable and to require little user input. In a comfortable Caddy enclosure, with a comfortable Caddy attitude, by the time you recognize something's changed, you're probably already in the ditch.
Race cars are not comfortable. They are designed with hard suspensions. They are designed to translate reality to the ass of the driver in as expeditious a fashion as possible. They demand a certain attitude and level of awareness. They, like airplanes, work best when the ass of their driver is also exremely firm. That way the message gets transmitted clearly and quickly.
If you're a pilot or a race car driver (or a human in a stressed biosphere), it's best to be a hard ass.
Luxury cars and SUVs and other rolling Barka-loungers are soft and squishy and quite comfortable. They are made for lazy people. They are made to be massive and comfortable and to require little user input. In a comfortable Caddy enclosure, with a comfortable Caddy attitude, by the time you recognize something's changed, you're probably already in the ditch.
Race cars are not comfortable. They are designed with hard suspensions. They are designed to translate reality to the ass of the driver in as expeditious a fashion as possible. They demand a certain attitude and level of awareness. They, like airplanes, work best when the ass of their driver is also exremely firm. That way the message gets transmitted clearly and quickly.
If you're a pilot or a race car driver (or a human in a stressed biosphere), it's best to be a hard ass.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Mmmm…Skybridge
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
Yeah, I'm also shuttling 150 people from Minnesota to Disney while sipping coffee in a multiple redundant flying applicance, not going wheel to wheel with Lewis Hamilton. I think we can bring the intensity down a notch.
Also, uhh, isn't listening to your body Instrument Rating 101 of "ways you can get yourself killed"?
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
Shouldn't you already be looking at your instruments if you're in or about to enter IMC?
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
Nah. You need to see where you dropped your cigarette, then narrowly miss the tower while you're confused.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
After beotching to your female FO about past transgressions and another female FO who basically told him he couldn’t teach or fly?
Space Monkey
Arbitrariness replaces reason with authority.
Ok, I'll revert from the 6th grade version to the 3rd grade version:
Just always pay attention to what you're doing - at least while you're doing it. (Extra credit for self-study while "off duty".)
Understand now? Is that better?
Just always pay attention to what you're doing - at least while you're doing it. (Extra credit for self-study while "off duty".)
Understand now? Is that better?
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
I feel like this was aimed squarely at @SlumTodd_Millionaire.
I say that not with any degree of disapproval, very much the opposite!
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
That's the nature of the thing, though. You have a high probability of going through an entire career (esp. an airline career) without anything going catastrophically wrong. But if things DO go catastrophically wrong, being able to identify, process, and act is very often the difference between a smoking hole and a guest spot on Letterman. eg: Sully or Al Haynes vs. PAL 8303 (or whoever). And, imho, being able to identify, process, and act comes from training, certainly, but also this seemingly mystical thing that's sometimes referred to as "airmanship". I don't think it's mystical, though, it's basically just "paying attention" and "learning" rather than getting to wherever you want to be and phoning it in.
JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
Yeah, there's a difference between airmanship, keeping up to date with new information, striving to do better, and acting like "Ice Man: The Later Years."
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
You can be my wingman anytime.
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