Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

amorris311 said:
@MikeD expanding on what @Cptnchia said, if the incident took place in flight and an emergency was declared the captain or whoever they deem appropriate will file a report. This issue seems to not fit that criteria from everything that has been stated.

Most airlines relieve the PIC as soon as the aircraft has blocked in and responsibility falls on the GSC or someone the airline appoints. It is an unfortunate situation but there is nothing the crew could do past making sure no one is in the way and calling the appropriate authorities. Both of those issues were taken care of so I'm having a hard time understanding why this is such an issue.
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Appreciate the clear response, this is what I'm trying to figure out. Mainly because I don't know the answer regarding the different carriers.

Interesting info, thank you, sir.
 
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amorris311 said:
What your book says and what the captain did seem concurrent.
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How so?
The passenger rushed from row 7 even before the seat belt sign was turned off. (as relayed to me from both a witness passenger and both forward FA's)
There was a trail along the aisle progressively getting larger to the point of 2 gallons of liquid feces and blood in the galley. The passenger was in the lav probably discharging every last ounce of liquid he had in him.
The Forward FA stated the captain exited the cockpit and ran with his bags in tow, having goose stepped over the pool of blood and feces.
This PIC (in pay only), did not tell the FO "you are in charge, nor did he say that to the FA's." The FO stayed in the cockpit until the "victim" was taken away. A classic example of "flight" in the fight or flight response.

Had the PIC relegated his PIC authority prior to leaving, this wouldn't be an issue, or nearly as a big deal as I'm making it to be.

@ian :
1. make sure 911 was called.
2. stop deplaning until the pool of blood was covered.
3. find the wife and ensure she doesn't leave to baggage claim. (she was heading up the jet bridge)
4. ask her if the husband has medical history.
5. keep all the ground crew looky-loo's away.

Kind of a sad cross section of society, here in this thread.
 
amorris311 said:
@MikeD expanding on what @Cptnchia said, if the incident took place in flight and an emergency was declared the captain or whoever they deem appropriate will file a report. This issue seems to not fit that criteria from everything that has been stated.

Most airlines relieve the PIC as soon as the aircraft has blocked in and responsibility falls on the GSC or someone the airline appoints. It is an unfortunate situation but there is nothing the crew could do past making sure no one is in the way and calling the appropriate authorities. Both of those issues were taken care of so I'm having a hard time understanding why this is such an issue.
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:sarcasm:

What do you know? You CLEARLY don't have the resume of @MikeD who, despite not having a minute of 121 time, is telling you how it is.

:sarcasm:
 
MikeD said:
Appreciate the clear response, this is what I'm trying to figure out. Mainly because I don't know the answer regarding the different carriers.

Interesting info, thank you, sir.
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There is nothing to figure out. Those with tens of thousands of hours of 121 time have been telling you and the person who can't interpret his FOM properly the answers.

You have just ignored it.
 
Nark said:
How so?
The passenger rushed from row 7 even before the seat belt sign was turned off. (as relayed to me from both a witness passenger and both forward FA's)
There was a trail along the aisle progressively getting larger to the point of 2 gallons of liquid feces and blood in the galley. The passenger was in the lav probably discharging every last ounce of liquid he had in him.
The Forward FA stated the captain exited the cockpit and ran with his bags in tow, having goose stepped over the pool of blood and feces.
This PIC (in pay only), did not tell the FO "you are in charge, nor did he say that to the FA's." The FO stayed in the cockpit until the "victim" was taken away. A classic example of "flight" in the fight or flight response.

Had the PIC relegated his PIC authority prior to leaving, this wouldn't be an issue, or nearly as a big deal as I'm making it to be.
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Answer this question....did you contact prostandards about this alleged behavior?
 
MikeD said:
Piss off Mark. I don't need any golden 121 time to ask a question of what is what. I'm not telling anything.

Take your high and mighty crap elsewhere junior.
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Once again the answers were out there well before @amorris311 responded.

You just weren't paying attention.
 
All of the PIC stuff aside. That's one hell of a way to go out,sounds almost like an embolism in the lower GI tract.


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MikeD said:
I was paying attention just fine. I was trying to bring everyone onto the same page in a nice way.
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It is clear that isn't going to happen. The dude complaining the most doesn't even know what the FOM says about what the Captain allegedly did AND the dude complaining the most doesn't even the decency to handle it through proper channels it appears. Instead bitching about it online appears to be the way to fix it!
 
Nark said:
How so?
The passenger rushed from row 7 even before the seat belt sign was turned off. (as relayed to me from both a witness passenger and both forward FA's)
There was a trail along the aisle progressively getting larger to the point of 2 gallons of liquid feces and blood in the galley. The passenger was in the lav probably discharging every last ounce of liquid he had in him.
The Forward FA stated the captain exited the cockpit and ran with his bags in tow, having goose stepped over the pool of blood and feces.
This PIC (in pay only), did not tell the FO "you are in charge, nor did he say that to the FA's." The FO stayed in the cockpit until the "victim" was taken away. A classic example of "flight" in the fight or flight response.

Had the PIC relegated his PIC authority prior to leaving, this wouldn't be an issue, or nearly as a big deal as I'm making it to be.
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I'm getting confused now. Were you the FO? Were you there? I'm asking because this post makes me believe you were not the FO or even on the plane.

This is all new information that you have kept from posting until now. If you were the FO and the captain did not delegate the responsibility to you I guess you could make an argument that the post flight briefing was not accomplished.

My concern is you are adding emotion and personal preference to the "book". It is never an enjoyable experience to be a bystander and be completely helpless to someone/something in need. However, there isn't much one without medical experience can do in a situation like this except keep people away and notify the proper authorities. You say that the passenger rushed forward before the seat belt sign was off. Did the FA's call the flight deck to notify the pilots of this? Is there exaggeration in the timeline of events? These are all things to consider before casting sole blame on someone. Maybe they were in the wrong morally but I still fail to see how they were in the wrong by the letter of your highlighted section in your operations manual.

As @Seggy has mentioned, this might be something you want to discuss with your professional standards committee. There is a good learning tool here and hopefully no one has to experience this again.
 
amorris311 said:
I'm getting confused now. Were you the FO? Were you there? I'm asking because this post makes me believe you were not the FO or even on the plane.

This is all new information that you have kept from posting until now. If you were the FO and the captain did not delegate the responsibility to you I guess you could make an argument that the post flight briefing was not accomplished.

My concern is you are adding emotion and personal preference to the "book". It is never an enjoyable experience to be a bystander and be completely helpless to someone/something in need. However, there isn't much one without medical experience can do in a situation like this except keep people away and notify the proper authorities. You say that the passenger rushed forward before the seat belt sign was off. Did the FA's call the flight deck to notify the pilots of this? Is there exaggeration in the timeline of events? These are all things to consider before casting sole blame on someone. Maybe they were in the wrong morally but I still fail to see how they were in the wrong by the letter of your highlighted section in your operations manual.

As @Seggy has mentioned, this might be something you want to discuss with your professional standards committee. There is a good learning tool here and hopefully no one has to experience this again.
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Thanks for the level headed response.
Discussing this with the pro stans is something I mentioned I would do on May 1st, post #221.
 
Nark said:
Thanks for the level headed response.
Discussing this with the pro stans is something I mentioned I would do on May 1st, post #221.
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So did you discuss it with them or not?

Because if you did I am pretty confident they wouldn't want you editorializing the situation on a forum.
 
Seggy said:
What in the bloody hell is the 'A' Line?

@Derg?
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I don't know, "lead" or "flight leader" or whatever else they change it to this week.

Generally speaking, it wasn't listed as 1, 2 and 3, it was A, B and C. The "lead" is always listed as "A" so "A Line" is a slang for lead flight attendant as in "Whose the A Line?"
 
Hell, I don't even have the attention span to see what the salient issue is! Ha!
 
Derg said:
I don't know, "lead" or "flight leader" or whatever else they change it to this week.

Generally speaking, it wasn't listed as 1, 2 and 3, it was A, B and C. The "lead" is always listed as "A" so "A Line" is a slang for lead flight attendant as in "Whose the A Line?"
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Oh so the purser?
 
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