Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions
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Cptnchia
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Nark
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It's an inappropriate game, which I changed to ^^^. For the likes of SeggyI'm old. What the hell is the snuggle struggle game?
Cptnchia
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<sign> if you worked for a real air line, we wouldn't have to keep explaining these things to you.
Seggy
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I didn't know real airlines still use Microsoft for their pilot EFBs.
Cptnchia
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I'm glad shiny new objects excite you.
I mean in terms of being Captain of the flight. Where something occurs on your aircraft just as you've parked or whatever. Is there no requirement for the Capt to see that the situation logically concludes.....ie. passenger died there or was hauled off by EMS?
Or is it a once the parking brake is pulled and jet shut down, the Capt has no more responsibility or accountability for anything that then occurs onboard?
That's the angle I'm asking from. I'm not asking about any providing of medical treatment.
Cptnchia
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It's this. Once the flight concludes there is no legal requirement for the pilots to remain. Not saying it's right or wrong, each individual has to determine for themselves how far they want to go beyond this point.
Interesting. Yes, was just curious where the flight responsibility ends. Now, had say this same medical emergency occurred earlier in flight, on landing, or on taxi back, would this still apply? Or again, once shutdown, it's a ground-side issue and not one that falls under Captains authority/responsibility?
If the line is clear where any responsibility or accountability stops for situations like that, then that's that.
ian
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yeah, this isn't the air force
T/O w/FSII
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Isn't looking over to the FO and saying "you take care of this" while the Captain splits pretty much SOP since the dawn of time? Thats kinda the perk of being a Captain after all.
ian
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okay, let's play you are the captain since you clearly want to be....what would you direct your FO and other FAs that "you are in command" of to do?
Nothing. But that's not my question. My question is of accountability.
At what point is the captain no longer accountable or no longer has to answer on what goes on with the flight he was in command of?
That's all that's being asked. Nothing about providing medical aid, or commanding FAs to do anything; only about accountability in being able speak to or report on what had occurred on the captains flight. Which seems to vary by carrier, which is fine, that just what trying to understand.
Thus far, only Nark and Cptchia have given any useful information in this regard.
amorris311
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What your book says and what the captain did seem concurrent.
That's my whole question. What did the book say, and what did the Captain do. If they concur, then the issue is solved.
ian
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it wasn't a snark response. My airline life is completely different than my air force life. The responsibilities are night and day different.
the question wasn't for you, it was for nark...since I quoted him at all.
amorris311
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@MikeD expanding on what @Cptnchia said, if the incident took place in flight and an emergency was declared the captain or whoever they deem appropriate will file a report. This issue seems to not fit that criteria from everything that has been stated.
Most airlines relieve the PIC as soon as the aircraft has blocked in and responsibility falls on the GSC or someone the airline appoints. It is an unfortunate situation but there is nothing the crew could do past making sure no one is in the way and calling the appropriate authorities. Both of those issues were taken care of so I'm having a hard time understanding why this is such an issue.
Most airlines relieve the PIC as soon as the aircraft has blocked in and responsibility falls on the GSC or someone the airline appoints. It is an unfortunate situation but there is nothing the crew could do past making sure no one is in the way and calling the appropriate authorities. Both of those issues were taken care of so I'm having a hard time understanding why this is such an issue.
That's what I'm trying to get at here. What are the captain responsibilities in a case like this, and does it vary airline to airline. Because if it does vary from line to line, then arguing the differences is a useless argument, if the crew here followed their own regs appropriately.
What I see here is seemingly many people arguing past and around one another. It's a given that the crew can't really do any medical work, and obviously wouldn't be getting in the way of medical personnel. But I don't think that's in any question either.