Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Pllleaaase! We'll throw in a couple shiny RJ's....20 to be exact!
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Pllleaaase! We'll throw in a couple shiny RJ's....20 to be exact!
Trip7
Well-Known Member
So you're saying we need different reps because the current reps should have saved us from furloughs and/or red arrow days? Regarding the Red Arrow days you do know the union filed a grievance and there is a process to that so changes cannot be made overnight.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
For once Marcus is the voice of reason. Listen to him on this one, guys. You've got some pretty dedicated reps.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Most regionals have a hard time with communications because there isn't a full-time communications person on staff. You should volunteer for the communications committee if you think communications are lacking.
Trip7
Well-Known Member
What in sam heck are you talking about. Have you been to any of the meetings they have at least monthly? They even give a notice about each meeting thru email. Also, the reps keep us informed weekly about union activities via email(ASA Connection). Not necessarily PBS info every time but certainly more than once. Remember we all get to read the LOA and then vote, so daily updates on negotiations are not necessary. If there's something you really want in the PBS LOA and want to find out if its there contact our rep and I'm sure he'll be happy to discuss it with you.
And quite a few people have been shouting for new blood in the MEC. That would be very unwise IMO. Right now is one of the most critical economic conditions in the history of the airline business with a couple of regionals on the brink of collapse. I want the elected officials to have real union experience and know how to handle a delicate environment like the one we're in right now. We get new reps in there with little to no experience we might be digging ourselves a pretty big hole, one we can't climb out of.
Nothing would be worse than getting rid of an experienced group of reps that do an excellent job, only to but in inexperienced reps that do not so go a job. We've got to get out of this mentality that every time something negative happens to the pilots, its the Union's fault.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Bwatz is doing a little bit more than just volunteering for a committee.
You sure!?
You seriously need to put down the pipe. Meetings at least monthly????? I see the quarterly meeting stuff but definitely not monthly. You obviously struggle with math, so i'll help you out. The ASA connection comes out about every 2 weeks (that's about 14 days) and usually contains nothing useful. Usually it's the same crap they put out in the last email. How often have you seen MEC members in the lounge?? I know I never have. They need to be in the lounge at least a few days a month so they can see the problems the line guys are having.
Come on PCL, how hard is it to type up an email ONCE a week. Is that seriously too much to ask?
Wow... I am pretty sure that is at the top of the complaint list. I have confidence in saying that I have talked to close to a hundred ASA pilots in the last 3 weeks and they all share my view. Why don't you take a look at the ALPA board. You will see that is a hot issue.
Trip7
Well-Known Member
Yea it regularly comes out every two weeks but normally something happens big enough for them to launch a connection special and make the emails appear to be weekly. The last one I read thoroughly addressed the red arrow issue and PBS highlights. I have never seen the MEC members in the lounge but I know if I have an issue they are a quick email or phone call away. But I guess that is one issue that could be improved but no biggie to me.
Maybe ASA pilots should go spend a day with each MEC member to see how hard they work for you. I'm sure Todd can explain more about how dedicated and hard working those folks are. It would be a real kick in the balls to me after doing all that work for someone only to be called useless and lazy then calling for "fresh blood"
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Well, I can tell ya, there's gonna be BLOOD after it's all over here at 9E. The bonus structure just came out, and it's gonna be based on W2 wages since ammendable date. Translation: senior guys get the $$$, FOs, junior guys, CDO fliers and reserve pilots get the shaft. The breakdown on the vote? MSP, DTW and ATL CA reps voted yes. MEM didn't have a rep since he's recalled. MSP, ATL, DTW FO reps voted no. MEM FO rep voted "yes," but he's also a senior CA. Go figure.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
It's not just typing up an email. It has to go through legal review and MEC review before it can be sent out. Without a full-time communications person to facilitate the whole process, it's a real time-consumer. When there's only one or two people on full-time leave, it can be a problem. If Newie is the only guy in the office, he's probably task-saturated constantly.
I don't know everyone on your MEC, but I've worked with some of them for a while, and they are top notch. The MEC Vice Chair is also an EVP, so he's also working on the national level. NT has also helped out with organizing drives and pickets regularly with other pilot groups.
FLflyer
Well-Known Member
That blows my mind. How on earth could you guys let a senior CA be your FO rep??? Come on, some common sense would be good here...
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
From what I hear, no FO wanted the job.
gtpilot
Well-Known Member
I think our FO rep ran as a very senior FO and then upgraded very shortly afterward. But, he's a good guy and I haven't seen him trying to run for office again so it can work out.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
You ASA guys will love this little gem of PBS....
it doesn't honor seniority in a case where a line will "fit" better into someone's schedule. So, say someone 20 junior to you bids for the same line but his training or vacation falls on the days off of the line, he'll get the line over you, especially if you attempted to bid a day off on a potential day of work that was on that line.
:dunno:
it doesn't honor seniority in a case where a line will "fit" better into someone's schedule. So, say someone 20 junior to you bids for the same line but his training or vacation falls on the days off of the line, he'll get the line over you, especially if you attempted to bid a day off on a potential day of work that was on that line.
:dunno:
Divine Wind
New Member
Sure they can. Then what? The company tells them to piss off.
A Union is only as strong as it's membership participation and it can act only in accordance with the law and their current contract.
If your MEC is more screwed up than a football bat, are taking bribes and swapping wives with company managers, then the blame goes to the membership for letting this happen. This isn't Burger King where you pay and have it your way. It takes active member participation to make sure your own union stays on course.
The flip side to this participation is that the members have a better understanding of why some things can't be changed and why "the union" can't just make the company do what "they" want.
