ASA PBS TA reached

gtpilot said:
The union certainly can tell the company what to do, if they choose to. I'm waiting for the verbiage, but I'm guessing there will be no recall language in the TA. And, no, I don't expect the union to waste political capital on junior furloughed FOs.
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Not trying to be mean, but his proves how absolutely clueless you are as to how things work. Since when does the union tell the company how to run?
 
mxflyer said:
With exception of Tutt, I have so many more reasons to trust our management way more than the MEC.



You're welcome to come over to our lounge and ask around....You'll see it to be the opinion of many of us here.
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nevermind
 
aevfo said:
Not trying to be mean, but his proves how absolutely clueless you are as to how things work. Since when does the union tell the company how to run?
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Seriously, I appreciate good arguments and can even be won over by good reasoning, but why the personal insult? Why does having a different opinion make one clueless?

Besides, if you read the last sentence of what you quoted, you might find I have a clue after all.

Carry on!
Marc
 
mxflyer said:
With exception of CT, I have so many more reasons to trust our management way more than the MEC.



You're welcome to come over to our lounge and ask around....You'll see it to be the opinion of many of us here.
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Opinions are like as.....well, you get the idea.

You can have an opinion all you want about what a union is capable of doing, but reality comes into the equation in the end. Your expectations of your union's power are unrealistic if you believe the union can merely order the company around. It doesn't work that way. There's a little thing called negotiations you have to deal with.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Opinions are like as.....well, you get the idea.
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So are most of the posts here.

The fact of the matter is that most around here are tired of our MEC was my point. Now they may not tell the company exactly what to do, but there is plenty of evidence to show they do have quite a bit of pull here. One example is an email from our MEC last November that asked why ASA management intends on holding onto extra pilots when our block hours are low. At the time ASA was not discussing furloughs, some were mad that credit hours were reduced to guarantee, money saving efforts. Email after email came complaining about it, telling us to be thrifty, reminding people about the "no furlough clause" (which tells me that 156 people we're never considered to be protected by the union; 80 of which were union members) etc. Few meetings with the company then furloughs...after that (FEB 09) credit hours went up an average of 10 hours per line. Opinions they maybe but they are backed by a chain of events. I came to ASA excited to be an ALPA member, but these series of events changed my mind.
 
mxflyer said:
So are most of the posts here.

The fact of the matter is that most around here are tired of our MEC was my point. Now they may not tell the company exactly what to do, but there is plenty of evidence to show they do have quite a bit of pull here. One example is an email from our MEC last November that asked why ASA management intends on holding onto extra pilots when our block hours are low. At the time ASA was not discussing furloughs, some were mad that credit hours were reduced to guarantee, money saving efforts. Email after email came complaining about it, telling us to be thrifty, reminding people about the "no furlough clause" (which tells me that 156 people we're never considered to be protected by the union; 80 of which were union members) etc. Few meetings with the company then furloughs...after that (FEB 09) credit hours went up an average of 10 hours per line. Opinions they maybe but they are backed by a chain of events. I came to ASA excited to be an ALPA member, but these series of events changed my mind.
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You're right, they have so much pull that we've been having red arrow day problems for 8 months. They just march right into CT's office and tell him what's up. Give me a break. I hope you're voting for different reps this fall as I sure as hell am.
 
aevfo said:
You're right, they have so much pull that we've been having red arrow day problems for 8 months. They just march right into CT's office and tell him what's up. Give me a break. I hope you're voting for different reps this fall as I sure as hell am.
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Red arrows were rare before the JAN 09 furloughs (at least on the FO side). Since then they've been scattered all over if not covering the month. But line credit went up (at least until September). Seems like a trade off. We DEFINITELY need different reps.
Good luck.


BTW, last time I walked into CT's office he was drinking coffee, reading the newspaper. The time before that he was out, getting pizza for everybody in operations after an IROP weekend. I don't know why but it's just funny to me.
 
CT, you guys do realize why he is there right? He's certainly not there to look out for ASA or Skywest Inc.'s interests. . .

Just remember where he came from. . .
 
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