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KLB said:
That's kind of the nature of that type of flying. They expect people to leave there at some point. As does regional airlines. What needs to be worked on is getting more longevity out of the people that are there. I agree that the pay needs to be increased. But I wouldn't expect that anyone wants to retire a line pilot at AMF. Four to six years is a number they should be shooting for IMHO. Increase pay and QOL enough to reach that point and that should be good enough.
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I don't know why, because I personally hated the freight life, but I know several guys that would stay at AMF longer, or would have stayed at AMF longer if the pay was better (among other things but that is the biggie). Management cannot wrap their head around why recruitment numbers are low, and attrition numbers are high. It is very simple to me...
 
If someone wants to get more well rounded, I don't see anything wrong with making a short detour here. I don't think any less of someone that doesn't. I realize most aren't as big of a nerd as me.

I will say though that if the topic turns aviation, the CFI - REGIONAL - MAINLINE types are dreadfully boring. "Oh, you flew pipers, an RJ, and an A320? Domestic only?" Yawn... Just saying. :)

I don't really think it's gonna be pay that keeps people here. A realistic shot at 121 mainline would though. I would stay if that were the case.

Personally, I wanted corporate for the longest time, but am increasingly leaning towards 121. Relative consistency from one company/pilot group to another is what I find appealing.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
So you're going to stick around for a flow, to get paid peanuts? Sounds like a plan!
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Hey man, everyone else in this thread, aside from maybe KLB, worked/works at bases that suck. I can't complain much about BQN. Cost of living is substantially less than a guy living in base at the regionals. So it's a wash for pay to me. It just doesn't make sense to stay here for career progression at the moment. If that changes, like tomorrow or next week, I'd probably stay.
 
UAL747400 said:
Hey man, everyone else in this thread, aside from maybe KLB, worked/works at bases that suck. I can't complain much about BQN. Cost of living is substantially less than a guy living in base at the regionals. So it's a wash for pay to me. It just doesn't make sense to stay here for career progression at the moment. If that changes, like tomorrow or next week, I'd probably stay.
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Can confirm, base that sucks.
 
This place is held together by hopes from management that are not extended in good faith...and MEL stickers.

Klb, I'm saying the multitude of ATP req jobs may subside in future as a result if there is no legal need-a financial cost-reduces desired level of applicants. Let's face it, it is an easy check ride anyway. I'm just saying this ruling *could change the future landscape instead of making the status quo more difficult.
 
KLB said:
Most companies (including my current company) require an ATP to meet WYVERN and ARG/US requirements.
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And lots and lots of 135 ops have it legally required. Specifically -
135.243a(1) said:
Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.
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Inverted said:
Look around you in the morning as you grab the logbook. Look left, then look right, one of those people have been, and will continue to wait because of a made BS idea that they can go to a major.
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I know someone who just made the jump to Allegiant from AMF. I wouldn't get too arrogant now.

The biggest hurdle an AMFer has with getting hired at a major is the networking aspect. It is pretty hard to network properly when you have to live in base and work on a completely different side of the airport.
 
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z987k said:
And lots and lots of 135 ops have it legally required. Specifically -
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Yes, but the training required could be covered in the type rating course. It actually doesn't add a ton extra stuff since most of the "extra" education is already covered either in Indoc or during the training course for the type rating. The FTD and flight sim requirements are pretty much already done during the type rating process as well. Ultimately the hardest part is getting their program certified.
 
Maurus said:
I know someone who just made the jump to Allegiant from AMF. I wouldn't get too arrogant now.
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Well, Allegiant isn't a major, it's a regional. With well below standard pay for similar equipment and below average QOL. Do a little research before assuming that Allegiant is "making it". If that is an AMFer's key to fame against my argument then more power to them. Nobody has gone solely from AMF to any major that matters in a decade and that is a fact. Those that go to JetBlue with 12 internal recs and prior 121 time, and sleeping with the CEO doesn't count.

Show me somebody who goes to a well paying 121, or the big 3 from AMF then I will raise an eyebrow. Until then nobody gets to use the "I know a guy that went to Allegiant, and another who went to JetBlue" as an argument to at you can go from AMF to a major. Factually my argument still stands.
 
Maurus said:
Yes, but the training required could be covered in the type rating course. It actually doesn't add a ton extra stuff since most of the "extra" education is already covered either in Indoc or during the training course for the type rating. The FTD and flight sim requirements are pretty much already done during the type rating process as well. Ultimately the hardest part is getting their program certified.
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Ya, but iirc the sim has to be for an airplane over 40,000lbs or something stupid like that. Nothing AMF flies is. Also a lot of jets flown under 135 aren't even close either.
 
Inverted said:
Well, Allegiant isn't a major, it's a regional. With well below standard pay for similar equipment and below average QOL. Do a little research before assuming that Allegiant is "making it". If that is an AMFer's key to fame against my argument then more power to them. Nobody has gone solely from AMF to any major that matters in a decade and that is a fact. Those that go to JetBlue with 12 internal recs and prior 121 time, and sleeping with the CEO doesn't count.

Show me somebody who goes to a well paying 121, or the big 3 from AMF then I will raise an eyebrow. Until then nobody gets to use the "I know a guy that went to Allegiant, and another who went to JetBlue" as an argument to at you can go from AMF to a major. Factually my argument still stands.
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Actually Allegiant isn't too far off from most LCCs and has the benefit of not actually being an airline but a travel company. That helps gives it a bit more stability. The pay actually isn't that bad considering their QOL in base is really good. Day trips allowing you to be home most nights and only 11 days off is still better than 12 days off with 4-day trips. That is why people have gone and stayed there. Obviously they know they can do better and voted a union in so they are definitely moving in the right direction. Technically I am not sure Major was the right word but they are definitely not a regional. They are a LCC.

You seem to have ignored my statements in the past about AMF's pilot group footprint. It is very small. Smaller still are the amount of people that actually want to go 121. The pilot group is somewhere around the 165 pilot mark. Considering how long it takes to build time at AMF maybe only half of the group is actually qualified for a major. Add in the fact that some in that group aren't even looking at the majors. The amount of people at AMF who are qualified and want to go to a major is extremely small when comparing them to the regionals. So duh, you wont find many getting out. Chances are that the rate they are escaping to the LCCs/Majors is actually a good rate of hiring considering the size of the group.

Also don't forget that most of the people getting hired at the big 3 had been at their regional for 8+ years. The environment at AMF is hard to handle for that long and people leave as a result.

The fact actually is that AMFers have been hired to United/Continental within the last decade. I had a United guy in the jumpseat that actually made the jump. Talked to Hawaiian guys that worked at AMF as well. Your problem is that you are stuck outside of the main airline system so you don't find these people.
 
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z987k said:
Ya, but iirc the sim has to be for an airplane over 40,000lbs or something stupid like that. Nothing AMF flies is. Also a lot of jets flown under 135 aren't even close either.
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It seems the FAA has provided a way out.

AC 61-138 said:
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Apply for a Deviation.
If a training provider seeks to use a device that does not meet the weight criteria set forth in § 61.156 but believes it can adequately demonstrate the learning objectives, it must apply for a deviation.
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Worst case is that they will have to hop into the sim next to them at flight safety for a couple hours.
 
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