American Eagle Hiring

Socal321 said:
It doesn't matter as long as you meet mins. I can definately tell you though that AE is very anal on background records. I never had anything but they were up front with us that if we had ANY checkride failures or DUIs or any kind of negative things the last 5 years they would not interview you. It could be a good gig but understand that if you go to eagle you will be stuck there for 7 to 8 years before a very junior upgrade. Good luck its a good place to be stuck though I suppose but I cant imagine being a 6 year FO making poverty wages.
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I think it'll probably speed up on the upgrade front when American starts seeing a lot of guys retiring 2012 and beyond. Then again, does Eagle still have the flow-through, or is it gone now? If it's gone, it may even be quicker if other places start hiring.
 
kellwolf said:
I think it'll probably speed up on the upgrade front when American starts seeing a lot of guys retiring 2012 and beyond. Then again, does Eagle still have the flow-through, or is it gone now? If it's gone, it may even be quicker if other places start hiring.
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Flow-through is dead. But there are about 650 Eagle CA's with AA numbers 244 should have already have flowed. My guess is the upgrade will never go lower then 5 years. In the next year we are going to hit the gap (about 100 numbers away) and upgrade will go down to the six year mark.
 
Gonzo said:
Flow-through is dead. But there are about 650 Eagle CA's with AA numbers 244 should have already have flowed. My guess is the upgrade will never go lower then 5 years. In the next year we are going to hit the gap (about 100 numbers away) and upgrade will go down to the six year mark.
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That's good news! You will be a CA at AE before I become a lineholder FO at XE...
 
Gonzo said:
Flow-through is dead. But there are about 650 Eagle CA's with AA numbers 244 should have already have flowed. My guess is the upgrade will never go lower then 5 years. In the next year we are going to hit the gap (about 100 numbers away) and upgrade will go down to the six year mark.
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There's at least that. With the bubble only a 100 numbers away, we could see a significant shift in the next year or so.

Stop taking my hope. I need that. :p
 
Gonzo said:
Flow-through is dead. But there are about 650 Eagle CA's with AA numbers 244 should have already have flowed. My guess is the upgrade will never go lower then 5 years. In the next year we are going to hit the gap (about 100 numbers away) and upgrade will go down to the six year mark.
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AND what about those TWA Pilots and Furloughed AA pilots? Seems like they should have rights before a REGIONAL pilot..... Call me crazy.
 
meyers9163 said:
AND what about those TWA Pilots and Furloughed AA pilots? Seems like they should have rights before a REGIONAL pilot..... Call me crazy.
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Gonzo or one of the Beagle guys could fill in on the specifics, but if I remember correctly, Beagle ALPA went to arbitration over the issue and the arbitrator decided that 244 of the Beagle guys SHOULD HAVE flowed up already, but it didn't happen.

I'm probably getting the details wrong, but the general idea is that it's been to an arbitrator and there has been a decision on this.
 
meyers9163 said:
AND what about those TWA Pilots and Furloughed AA pilots? Seems like they should have rights before a REGIONAL pilot..... Call me crazy.
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At present, the remaining furloughees are all ex-TWA pilots.

Because of the way the merger worked, and other arbitration that followed, they've been equated as new hires.

Letter 3 integrates Eagle flowthroughs with those pilots. Because pilots of the 'new hire' status were coming in from furlough, they should have been integrated into those classes. As they were not, we are where we are now.
 
Firebird2XC said:
At present, the remaining furloughees are all ex-TWA pilots.

Because of the way the merger worked, and other arbitration that followed, they've been equated as new hires.

Letter 3 integrates Eagle flowthroughs with those pilots. Because pilots of the 'new hire' status were coming in from furlough, they should have been integrated into those classes. As they were not, we are where we are now.
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:) Wow...
 
It is a very long and complicated issue with the whole letter 3/TWA/Furlough issue at AMR. As it stands now those 244 were ruled to have been wrongfully denied class dates back in 2007 and in the next few months we will know the resolution to this issue from the arbitrator. The way you look at this issue depends on where your seat is at (ex-TWA/AA/AE/management). It is very possible that upgrade at Eagle will be below 6 years in the near future as we get past the 9/11 gap.
 
meyers9163 said:
AND what about those TWA Pilots and Furloughed AA pilots? Seems like they should have rights before a REGIONAL pilot..... Call me crazy.
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They are welcome to apply for spots on the BOTTOM of our list at this time if they like :pirate:
 
meyers9163 said:
So I heard an email came down today saying they were going to hire 100? Anyone have that email? Also I was told the hiring pool is gone as well. All must re-apply with 1000TT being the min.... Thought the 1000TT but glad to see more might be able to apply..... Anyone have specifics for those whom might be looking?
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claudette.carroll@aa.com

How is PSA? I'm going to talk with RH and see if our pool is even there anymore. I know some airlines have kept them and some airlines have flushed them.
 
Firebird2XC said:
He's a sub guy. EVERYBODY is above him already.
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You're not. :laff: (me=06, you=07 hire)

all joking aside though, I meant that I thought it was mean spirited to say that TWA guys are welcome to apply at the bottom of the AE list. I think they deserve there spot at AA, same as our flow-throughs and I personally don't want to see them at AE at all. The whole TWA merger/Letter 3 has been such a mess. I respect all pilot groups, except scabs.
 
subpilot said:
You're not. :laff: (me=06, you=07 hire)

all joking aside though, I meant that I thought it was mean spirited to say that TWA guys are welcome to apply at the bottom of the AE list. I think they deserve there spot at AA, same as our flow-throughs and I personally don't want to see them at AE at all. The whole TWA merger/Letter 3 has been such a mess. I respect all pilot groups, except scabs.
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I'm with you.

I will say this, however. I'm very curious as to how many remaining AA furloughees would actually come back. It's been a long time- unless whatever they've been doing since has imploded, I can't imagine seeing all of them pick up stakes to come to AA.

Also- I'd say a good deal of the ire directed at the APA from the Eagle camp would be because of a small number of the flowbacks. Apparently some weren't all that good, and more weren't all that nice.

I find it especially ironic to hear a flowback moaning about FO pay at Eagle, now that they've all been displaced. Were it not for all the Letter 3 provisions, Eagle would have never have grown, they'd have never had a 'super seniority captain seat' to flow back to, etc. All they'd have gotten was unemployment.

Considering how it COULD have gone down, they've had a fairly sweet ride for a while now.
 
meyers9163 said:
AND what about those TWA Pilots and Furloughed AA pilots? Seems like they should have rights before a REGIONAL pilot..... Call me crazy.
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I don't think I was very clear about my point. The 244 pilot that should have already been in class are senior to guys back at work. Most of the 244 have seniority dates of 98/99/00 before TWA. So why should a TWA pilot that was furloughed before AMR bought TWA and has never flown for AA be recalled before a more senior Eagle pilot.
 
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