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L-16B said:
I’m a firm believer if you want to be hired at AA in the future don’t be a flow. They can’t keep flowing everyone.
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The AA regionals are still hiring and even growing. PSA at least is “well staffed” for its current flying but the company wants to grow to be around 2200 active pilots and around 150-160 airplanes. So far AA has shown (at least for the past few years) that they are making good on everything they have said they would do for the WOs. Pay has gone up and will continue to do so to keep attracting pilots. Our flow is in fact set to increase. The contract Eagle flying is being wound down.

With all due respect, the regional industry is completely different today than even when I first started. AA can’t afford to start reneging on its promises because if they did there would be no reason for many to stay (or come) and their relatively cheap regional feed would suffer in short order. I sometimes feel like the more this segment of the industry changes the less some mainline pilots keep up (and honestly I don’t blame you). I think the trends are moving fast in the opposite direction of what you’re saying above...
 
chrisreedrules said:
The AA regionals are still hiring and even growing. PSA at least is “well staffed” for its current flying but the company wants to grow to be around 2200 active pilots and around 150-160 airplanes. So far AA has shown (at least for the past few years) that they are making good on everything they have said they would do for the WOs. Pay has gone up and will continue to do so to keep attracting pilots. Our flow is in fact set to increase. The contract Eagle flying is being wound down.

With all due respect, the regional industry is completely different today than even when I first started. AA can’t afford to start reneging on its promises because if they did there would be no reason for many to stay (or come) and their relatively cheap regional feed would suffer in short order. I sometimes feel like the more this segment of the industry changes the less some mainline pilots keep up (and honestly I don’t blame you). I think the trends are moving fast in the opposite direction of what you’re saying above...
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His point is that if AA is truly going to hire over 900 this year, how can the majority of those hires come from flow without shrinking the WO regionals? Those hiring numbers are going to continue to increase. It's really just simple math.
 
word302 said:
His point is that if AA is truly going to hire over 900 this year, how can the majority of those hires come from flow without shrinking the WO regionals? Those hiring numbers are going to continue to increase. It's really just simple math.
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the majority won’t come from wholly owned, especially as time goes on.

Envoy gets the biggest piece of the pie right now, which is 50 percent of new hires a month, metered to 25. With AA planning on hiring 920 this year, Envoy will still only flow 250-300. If AA hiring numbers go up, barring a change from Envoy Managment, Envoy will continue to only flow 25 a month. After the protected pilot group (thru 2011 hires) the flow numbers go down more, to 35 percent of each class and less.

Interestingly the pilots hired in the lesser rate groups still (should) flow faster than the previous group flowing now.

Who knows what will happen in the future, but when AA hires more pilots than they are now, it doesn’t effect the flow in its current or projected form.

Obviously when this pilot shortage hits, everyone gets hired at a major, regionals will cease to exist, the world will implode and drones will take over. Or something like that, I get confused.
 
word302 said:
His point is that if AA is truly going to hire over 900 this year, how can the majority of those hires come from flow without shrinking the WO regionals? Those hiring numbers are going to continue to increase. It's really just simple math.
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I think the plan has always been roughly 50% of new hire classes to be flow. And I recently heard something around the 40% number thrown out as what AA wishes to hire from the ex-mil crowd. Either way between flows and mil it doesn’t leave a lot of room for OTS civilian guys at AA. I heard that AA may go to a referral program ala FedEx though I don’t know how much truth there is to that.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I think the plan has always been roughly 50% of new hire classes to be flow. And I recently heard something around the 40% number thrown out as what AA wishes to hire from the ex-mil crowd. Either way between flows and mil it doesn’t leave a lot of room for OTS civilian guys at AA. I heard that AA may go to a referral program ala FedEx though I don’t know how much truth there is to that.
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I’m just messing with learhawkbee
 
chrisreedrules said:
For those hired in the first quarter of 2014 at PSA a flow date of about 5 years from doh can be expected. Hit the jackpot...
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Wow that's good timing. My instructor went there around that time, too. Does psa have a lot of attrition oustide the flow to other majors to help in that regard? Could it be that more people are putting all their eggs in the flow basket at envoy than psa and not actively trying to apply and leave to other majors?
 
milksheikh said:
Wow that's good timing. My instructor went there around that time, too. Does psa have a lot of attrition oustide the flow to other majors to help in that regard? Could it be that more people are putting all their eggs in the flow basket at envoy than psa and not actively trying to apply and leave to other majors?
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Yes and yes.
 
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