That's the truth, there are a few recent flows that come up rather often in conversation with the other captains in my pad. But then, there are OTS hires that fit into that group as well.
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That's the truth, there are a few recent flows that come up rather often in conversation with the other captains in my pad. But then, there are OTS hires that fit into that group as well.
Cherokee_Cruiser
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So what? Regional interviews for a long time were (and in some cases still are) fog a mirror and you're hired. Some legacy interviews are 2-day events. They want to find out who you are and whther you'd be a dick on a 10+ day trip. It's easier to put up with a d-bag guy on a 1 day (or 2-4 day), but imagine that same d-bag on a 7-12+ day trip and you're stuck.
"Flying your customers" argument ONLY works when the hiring standards are the same for the regional AND the legacy/mainline. Many times that's not the case.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That's really sad to hear. I get it, from the numbers perspective in regards to military/civilian/OTS/flows. But it reiterates what seems to be a fact that the worse position one could be in when applying to AA is a civilian OTS. 2017 they hired 645 and 60 were true OTS civilian, if they are saying 920 for 2018, is the civilian ratio looking to be a proportional number? Eg, that would mean 86 with a proportional ratio. Or, do flow numbers change enough that it warrants more true OTS civilians?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I'm one of those guys (flowed in 2011) so I'm not trying to bust on my fellow flows. All of the FO's I've flown with are great guys. However, I keep hearing the same names from the guys in my pad (I haven't flown with any of the people I keep hearing about, BTW).
Gonzo
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Huh? When has the Eagle flow been below 12 years?
surreal1221
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And yet some of these D-bags end up at the airlines anyway. Really not going to say much more than that.
Well people don't generally speak up until they're hired and then they run around like a dejected child bellyaching because no one read their mind and doesn't frequent the "Miss Cleo Hotline".
surreal1221
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I will happily say - it was made very clear to me, and others, that if we found out about people who shouldn't be part of the #team to speak out and reach out directly to CPO, HR, and Pilot Recruiting. A number of CRM and TEM nightmares (in my own opinion that I'll gladly share in more discrete environments if necessary) have hopefully been appropriatedly threat and error managed - if you will - when it comes to hiring at a certain aqua'esque airline.
ALPA is good...but sometimes ALPA shouldn't defend D-Bags with a history of 12 sexual harassment issues at one airline so that he can go on to another property and do the same thing.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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ALPA should defend everyone. The problem is that management is so woefully incompetent that they don’t document to create a paper trail. That’s on them, not on ALPA.
Gonzo
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ALPA doesn't defend the person, they defend the process.
learhawkerbe400
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The flow numbers will be static. Envoy will be at 25/mo and piedmont is 4 or 5 and i think PSA is 10. So if they only hire 40 then they’re all flows. Anything over that is OTS. I think.
chrisreedrules
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PSA will likely be increasing flow to at least 15 /month. The details have not been worked out 100% but it has been made explicitly clear that any contract that includes PBS will come at the cost of pay, flow, and work rules improvements. 15 /month is what would put us in-line with the other 2 wholly owned AA regionals. By 2019 we will be flowing 2014 hires which is pretty incredible. My flow date is summer 2021 with the current metrics. Winter 2020/21 if we go to 15 /month by the end of this year.
From talking with a recruiter from mainline AA several months back, he made it pretty clear that even though they want to increase OTS civillian hires to some extent their goal is still primarily flow-throughs and military.
FlySooner9
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Much larger airline.
learhawkerbe400
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Does anybody else keep checking to see if the June bid results have been posted? That thing was massive and is going to create some real movement.
I’m guessing 11,500 for junior 73 captain. I hope I’m wrong and it’s even lower.
I’m guessing 11,500 for junior 73 captain. I hope I’m wrong and it’s even lower.
Check all the time. I’m hoping this is my ticket out of LGA. If not, hopefully you are right and 73 LGA goes really junior.
AAPalmTree
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That info will be on AArena and BTL before you’ll see it.