jtrain609
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Nobody actually lives in Romulus. Ann Arbor is where those of your status reside.
ALPA call to action flight time limits, open to everyone
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Nobody actually lives in Romulus. Ann Arbor is where those of your status reside.
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Wait, what?
Entry pay for a type-rated ATP with 80 SOB should equate to ~$32k/year for a base in a major metropolitan area (where the median income is ~$96k)?
And what are these "commuter hotels" of which you speak?
Mostly agree, but that generalization was a big speed bump.
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wheelsup
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The places I'm familiar with pay about twice that. And they're hiring a ton. Just because you've got some places that pay lower wages doesn't mean that is all that's out there. Five years ago you'd never even think of entry level pay being $60,000.
Some places are paying for hotels for guys to come in the night before or night after trips.
hook_dupin
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I think the 1500 hour rule will be rolled back. ALPA is just not that powerful compared to every other group that benefits from cheaper air travel.
wheelsup
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If we're going to reduce education and experience requirements to make things cheaper why in the world not start with the medical profession?!!
hook_dupin
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Like Physician's Assistants and Nurse Practicioners?
Seriously, though... one of the areas not debated in this healthcare mess is that neither side has proposed increasing the number of funded residency positions for physicians. The current size of the pipe for creating practicing physicians is woefully undersized, and quite a few people benefit from that.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
We lived in a suburb of Omaha bout 20 yrs ago. One of the 'friendliest/nicest people' places I've lived in this country.
Ayork62493
GBR
From omaha, and if it didn't require a commute I'd still live there. Great place to live, I go back as much as possible and would take every Omaha and Lincoln overnight possible except the RJ in denver no longer does either
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
From Tim Cannoll's ALPA email today:
As a stark reminder to Members of Congress of what is at stake, today I stood at a Capitol Hill news conference with family members of Colgan 3407 (watch video | photos) emphasizing the importance of the life-saving reforms that were passed unanimously in Congress seven years ago. The Airline Safety and FAA Extension Act of 2010 has led to a safety record with zero Part 121 passenger airline accident fatalities. Compare that number to more than 1,100 fatalities during the previous 20 years, and there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind of the direct correlation between the safety regulations and today’s safety record.
As a stark reminder to Members of Congress of what is at stake, today I stood at a Capitol Hill news conference with family members of Colgan 3407 (watch video | photos) emphasizing the importance of the life-saving reforms that were passed unanimously in Congress seven years ago. The Airline Safety and FAA Extension Act of 2010 has led to a safety record with zero Part 121 passenger airline accident fatalities. Compare that number to more than 1,100 fatalities during the previous 20 years, and there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind of the direct correlation between the safety regulations and today’s safety record.
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Soku39
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-training-flying-under-senate-bill/439156001/
At least the rule created a pay increase of ~40k a year starting pay for most regionals. The companies can go back to being in the driver's seat now.
At least the rule created a pay increase of ~40k a year starting pay for most regionals. The companies can go back to being in the driver's seat now.
If those with aviation degrees can get lowered minimums because of graduating from a structured program there's no reason why part 61 students shouldn't have the opportunity to do the same. I was a part 61 student but went through ATP, which is a decently structured and fast-paced program. I was then hired by a pt 135 company as an FO on a multi turbine airplane. It would be great if some of that experience could translate into lower mins for the airlines.
The lowered minimums don't have to necessarily be 250 hours. Just make it 750-1000 hrs for everyone.
The lowered minimums don't have to necessarily be 250 hours. Just make it 750-1000 hrs for everyone.
PhilosopherPilot
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From Tim Cannoll's ALPA email today:
As a stark reminder to Members of Congress of what is at stake, today I stood at a Capitol Hill news conference with family members of Colgan 3407 (watch video | photos) emphasizing the importance of the life-saving reforms that were passed unanimously in Congress seven years ago. The Airline Safety and FAA Extension Act of 2010 has led to a safety record with zero Part 121 passenger airline accident fatalities. Compare that number to more than 1,100 fatalities during the previous 20 years, and there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind of the direct correlation between the safety regulations and today’s safety record.
Ummm. Yeah. Correlation <> causation, and all that. But sure, it sounds good to people who don't know anything about the aviation industry. Or mathematics.
Soku39
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You mean like Senators?
PhilosopherPilot
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Yep. And the public.
Soku39
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Well to extrapolate this further; Congress proposes and write laws on so many things they have absolutely no clue about that it is somewhat insane. To that point I rarely if ever see a news article get anything right about aviation or the military, which are my only two areas of expertise, so I'd imagine they have just about the same track record for covering other industries and concentrations. This in turn means that no matter how much I read and how much NPR I listen to I'm still pretty ignorant and misinformed. It's a scary world out there.
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PhilosopherPilot
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Well to extrapolate this further; Congress proposes and write laws on so many things they have absolutely no clue about that it is somewhat insane. To that point I rarely if ever see a news article get anything right about aviation or the military, which are my only two areas of expertise, so I'd imagine they have just about the same track record for covering other industries and concentrations. This in turn means that no matter how much I read and how much NPR I listen to I'm still pretty ignorant and misinformed. It's a scary world out there.
Yeah. Combine that with the fact that the lawmakers don't actually write the document, and rarely read it cover to cover...and yep, it's scary.
PropDriver
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I lived there for almost 30 years. It's a great place to live and a great place to raise a family. The only reason I moved was that no legacy airline will ever make it a domicile.
Makes you appreciate the summer that much more.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's an insult to the accident crews of the past 20 yrs. Using the "1200 dead" toll number and touting ATP mins is an insult and non-conclusive, just because we haven't had a fatal crash in 7 years.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Haven't the last 5 fatal 121 accidents had a Gulstreamer at the helm? That Gulfstream doesn't exist anymore seems to carry some weight to what was causing accidents.