Allegiant Makes a Profit

re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

ATN_Pilot said:
They've had upgrades over there at 1st year pay, which is $61/hr. Tell me that's not an RJ payrate. :rolleyes: Even their top-out rate is basically Horizon's old RJ-70 rate.
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How many times have you told me to look past first year rates? Realistically, who at XJT or Eagle is gonna see first year CA rates? Let's look at second year CA rate at Allegiant. Where most regionals see a couple dollar pay bump, Allegiant goes up over $20/hr. In fact, if you take it out to 4 year, it's more or less in line with Midwest and $40 more an hour than the regionals. I don't know of any regional with $100/hr 4 year CA pay.

I'm on 3rd year pay, and I make more than their top-out FO pay already. And I'm working under a contract that was signed 8 years ago at what was then a tiny airline!
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I thought you said they were "regional" rates. Can't say that and then compare them to AirTran. It's still not regional rates. It's not AirTran rates, but it's not regional either.

I think you might not be able to look past the chip on your shoulder when it comes to the non-union carriers. I'm already a sell-out I guess, so I'll just say I wouldn't mind going to Allegiant, being based at home in Orlando and being home every night. I've talked to some of the guys over there, and they seem relatively happy. Then again, I'd love to go to SWA and don't consider them a "cult" either.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Killtron2000 said:
Yeah because the airline is only about the pilots.
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Works for the banks. Citi's got a guy who's going to get $100 million despite the fact that his company has lost billions and the shareholders have seen their stock drop to three bucks a share.

If it's good enough for bank employees, why isn't it good enough for airline employees?
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

tonyw said:
Works for the banks. Citi's got a guy who's going to get $100 million despite the fact that his company has lost billions and the shareholders have seen their stock drop to three bucks a share.

If it's good enough for bank employees, why isn't it good enough for airline employees?
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Did you know that the seran wrap containers have little tabs you have to press in on the side to make it easier to unroll it?

If we're going to talk about irrelevant things might as well give out some useful information.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

Killtron2000 said:
Did you know that the seran wrap containers have little tabs you have to press in on the side to make it easier to unroll it?

If we're going to talk about irrelevant things might as well give out some useful information.
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Excellent comment:rotfl::rawk:

Tony has that way of bringing unusual examples to the conversation:dunno:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

mpenguin1 said:
Excellent comment:rotfl::rawk:

Tony has that way of bringing unusual examples to the conversation:dunno:
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I guess "bringing up unusual examples" is code word for, "I don't really know how to respond."

Tony used an analogy, which seemed to slip by everybody. Maybe they don't teach analogies in secondary school anymore...
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

SeanD said:
Isnt it also the fault of greedy airline management?
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Greedy management wouldn't be very effective at destroying our careers if we didn't try to justify flying MD-80s for half the going rate.

kellwolf said:
How many times have you told me to look past first year rates? Realistically, who at XJT or Eagle is gonna see first year CA rates? Let's look at second year CA rate at Allegiant. Where most regionals see a couple dollar pay bump, Allegiant goes up over $20/hr. In fact, if you take it out to 4 year, it's more or less in line with Midwest and $40 more an hour than the regionals. I don't know of any regional with $100/hr 4 year CA pay.

I thought you said they were "regional" rates. Can't say that and then compare them to AirTran. It's still not regional rates. It's not AirTran rates, but it's not regional either.
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Kell, $61/hr is an RJ rate, and $118/hr is just over an RJ rate at the top end at a nice regional. Sorry, but they're really nothing more than good RJ rates that have a steeper pay scale gradient so it gets there in 10 years instead of 15.

Killtron2000 said:
Yeah because the airline is only about the pilots.
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Maybe you clicked the wrong link, but this a pilot careers forum, not airliners.net. :rolleyes:
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jtrain609 said:
I guess "bringing up unusual examples" is code word for, "I don't really know how to respond."

Tony used an analogy, which seemed to slip by everybody. Maybe they don't teach analogies in secondary school anymore...
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No, next
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

tonyw said:
If it's good enough for bank employees, why isn't it good enough for airline employees?
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Because one addresses the segment of society all free market ideologues are attempting to reach. The other addresses the segment of society these same free market ideologues really live in - labor.

Since the mental rational for recognizing that you're not really part of the wealthy class in this country requires far too many brain cells, people continue to defend one classes ability to demand and negotiate fair wages, bonuses, and compensation packages, while they themselves think it's okay for their own management teams to rape them day in and day out.

That double standard is just fine. Don't you forget it.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

jtrain609 said:
I guess "bringing up unusual examples" is code word for, "I don't really know how to respond."

Tony used an analogy, which seemed to slip by everybody. Maybe they don't teach analogies in secondary school anymore...
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Yup. I guess I expect too much intellectual firepower here. I'll try to dumb things down in the future so that everyone gets it.

I guess I'm just asking for too much. But then, you know, if the College Board uses analogies on the SATs and high school kids are expected to be able to grasp them, I figure adults should be able to.

Maybe not.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

I didn't want to hurt anyone's sensitive feelings so I edited the post.
 
re: 121 pilots throw bags or no? (and some Allegiant stuff)

tonyw said:
Works for the banks. Citi's got a guy who's going to get $100 million despite the fact that his company has lost billions and the shareholders have seen their stock drop to three bucks a share.

If it's good enough for bank employees, why isn't it good enough for airline employees?
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If pilots were responsible for selling the tickets and marketing the routes etc. they'd be entitled to a bonus for sure. Since all we do is show up and hit some buttons I'm not quite sure your comparison is accurate.

I highly doubt the average pilot would be able to bring in $300 million in ticket sales to their carrier.
 
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