Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I agree, don't scab. I don't think anyone denied that.
Allegiant Airlines
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amorris311
Well-Known Member
No, clearly you think its ok. In one sentence you say scabbing is no good then you reverse course in the next sentence and justify the actions of others. Since you think it is such a lucrative idea to cross a picket line why don't you take a look at the individuals who crossed. The flight decks are silent and most look older than their years because of the consistent ridicule and ostracizing that takes place amongst their peers.
I guess it's good to know that you have it made up in your mind that you will walk over everyone in your path in order to achieve your goals. Sad.
I read his comment as meaning that those particular scabs essentially "got away with it", what with how they were seemingly brought back into the fold due to whatever factors, in some sort of "forgiven" status of some kind. As I understand, there's still some real heartburn about that out there. Would be interesting to know if they actually appear on any scab lists?
I don't read anything saying he supports scabbing.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
Ehh, we all read things differently I guess. I read his posts and remember what his typical view point is regarding organized labor. He's not a fan and has said numerous times that he despises unions. So when he posts something as he did I react in a different way then say if you posted this. Maybe I should get a thicker skin.
There is no such thing as a "scab list". @ATN_Pilot can probably speak to it more specifically but those went away when CAL was wrapped back into the fold.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
You don't really see it this way do you?
The company can't fire you for sicking out, or calling fatigue. Squawk the plane, stub your toe, get a sniffle, do something. The jackass knew he was flying struck work from step one, I don't buy for one second that he didn't know what was going on, pilots don't get to make that excuse. I get that he worked for a 121 sup that relied on contract work. However you would have to have your head buried in the sand to be in the airline industry, and not know what is going on in the airline industry.
Correct, there is no such thing as a scab list. I'm referring to that odd little book that even I got checked against once a long time ago when jumpseating on a UAL DC-10 by the FE
Cherokee posted this a few posts above, so I figure I'd kill any fires before they got out of control.:
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You'd have to ask a UAL guy but at this point I think most people moved on with it. I mean what are you gonna do? Takeoff from EWR to CDG and immediately start strike/scab talks out of 10k? Not worth it. IMO, most people keep scab talks out of the flight deck when you know it's going to be a heated topic.
If I flew with a scab, I'd stay clear of any strike or scab topic. I don't want to ruin CRM over something that was done in the past.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
No fires. He has a way of asking a 'question' or pointing out a different view point that walks a thin line. Like I said before, if it was virtually anyone else asking these questions I probably wouldn't respond in the way I do. He has a past history of making remarks that suggest it is ok in his mind to destroy unity amongst pilots. He still complains about a seniority list integration that doesn't concern him anymore and blames the wrong group on top of that. His uneducated inflammatory posts are childish at best and it's naive for anyone who knows who he is to think otherwise.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You're obviously current or ex-9E so anything you say others should take with a grain of salt in regards to what you just wrote. I am not suggesting anyone destroy anything in the industry, but merely pointing out that a fact that pilots destroy unity themselves and in groups quite well - historically speaking. I have no complaints of the ISL anymore you speak of, and I have only blamed the 9E merger team (3 people) for the predicament they put 9E through in front of Bloch. But that's all in the past.
Cool. Am happy cooler heads are prevailing here.
Yeah I guess a UAL pilot would have the answer to that one. Just an interesting musing, only because it's such a hot topic, and scabs in the airline world appear to be more rare today than they once were (or I could be wrong), and running into one in person would seem to be a more rare occurance, except maybe at UAL from the merger?
Yeah I guess a UAL pilot would have the answer to that one. Just an interesting musing, only because it's such a hot topic, and scabs in the airline world appear to be more rare today than they once were (or I could be wrong), and running into one in person would seem to be a more rare occurance, except maybe at UAL from the merger?
av8tr1
"Never tell me the odds!"
I'm referring to that odd little book that even I got checked against once a long time ago when jumpseating on a UAL DC-10 by the FE
Can you expand on this? As I am new to the airline world what is this non existent scab list or little black book you reference?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Apparently there's a semi-official scab list that some pilots keep and will reference it prior to granting a pilot the jumpseat. The risk you run by denying a pilot a jumpseat based on this scab reason is of course tomorrow when you need a ride somewhere and that scab pilot is the CA and you are requesting the jumpseat.
I got my company ID checked once against a list of some sort (a scab list, lets not BS ourselves around here) when jumpseating on a UAL DC-10 by the FE. FE was a 4-striper, and back in the day of age 60, Captains who hit 60 could revert to the FE seat until (If I remember right) age 64. Anyhow this 4-stripe FE asked nicely to see my company ID after introducing myself to the flight deck and Capt, and he compared it with the little black book he had in his shirt pocket. Curiously, I asked what he was looking for, and he replied that he was just seeing if I was someone he might know, or something like that. This was 1995ish. I guess scabs from Eastern and smaller ones like America West scabs were still fresh on mind, if not the UAL and CAL scabs from earlier.
The list is like a roach motel: you check in, but you never check out.
Best remedy is not to scab.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It's quite rare to come across these guys who will whip it out. Since flying for the airlines 2007-present I've never seen any CA take one out. I'm sure there are stories out there of guys who do it and I suppose it's to each his own.
But if you don't want to worry about this problem, don't scab. It's pretty simple.