Allegiant Airlines

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Apparently there's a semi-official scab list that some pilots keep and will reference it prior to granting a pilot the jumpseat. The risk you run by denying a pilot a jumpseat based on this scab reason is of course tomorrow when you need a ride somewhere and that scab pilot is the CA and you are requesting the jumpseat.
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That sounds dangerous. Especially since nothing is officially recorded. Hopefully nobody gets on that list by accident. I would imagine that the scab list isn't very long though...
 
Inverted said:
That sounds dangerous. Especially since nothing is officially recorded. Hopefully nobody gets on that list by accident. I would imagine that the scab list isn't very long though...
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Scabs who are dead are on that list. With DEAD in caps after their name/description of them. Google it, it's there. Maybe not an officially sanctioned list, but a list nonetheless.
 
The scab list that I found in the interwedz has over 5700 names on it. The Eastern Strike had 2,250 names on it, while the Comair Strike had 3 names.

Most of them have what the person did written on them, along with their DoB, cities that they normally commute out of, and their employee ID number.
 
Like I said, it appeared to me 20 years ago when I asked about it, that things like Eastern and America West were still somewhat fresh, with CAL and UAL scabs still a fresh wound too. At least that's how it was explained to me then.
 
I am actually surprised that I have not had a CA check a Scab list yet. Especially since the guys I fly with have a ton of CAL exposure.
 
Seems like one could easily be placed on this list by mistake. What sort of fact checking goes into this list? Is there a central controller who handles additions to the list? It seems like someone who has a grudge against another pilot could easily report said pilot for scab related activities when nothing actually happened?

This is all new to me. I come from a world without unions.
 
This is fascinating to me. Do these scabs just assume they have lost jumpseat privileges? Is this list checked with regard to employment as well?
 
That list is very interesting to see. One of the first names is noted as the Enola Gay co-pilot. Really makes me wonder what lead him to make such a disastrous professional decision.
 
Seggy said:
@ATN_Pilot may have more info but the Scabs may have had to pay a fine and back dues though. So they didn't exactly get away free.
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Unfortunately, the CAL SCABs did get off without so much as a fine. It was the result of a judge's award preventing any sort of retribution against the SCABs. The CAL strike was unusual due to the fact that ALPA was never officially elected under an NMB election. Bob Six just voluntarily recognized ALPA in the early days, and that stood until Lorenzo broke the union in '85. The "Order and Award" that year returned the CAL pilots, but without ALPA and without their CBA, and without the ability for any SCAB to be treated differently than any striker. Years later when the legitimate CAL pilots wanted back into ALPA, ALPA's only choice was to bring none of them back, or accept them all back with no fines or penalties against the SCABs.

There is even more of a backstory but fundamentally the question was, do you punish all Continental Pilots for the action of the minority?
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That was the key question, and as you said, it was controversial. The BOD eventually decided that accepting the loyal ALPA supporters was more important than punishing the scumbag SCABs, so they agreed to take everyone back.

amorris311 said:
There is no such thing as a "scab list". @ATN_Pilot can probably speak to it more specifically but those went away when CAL was wrapped back into the fold.
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Well, there is certainly a list. It just isn't official. ALPA has a record of every member's history in Membership Services, but they don't and never have published an official list of SCABs. The unofficial list is widely available, though. I've carried it in my flight bag for years. Never forget.

av8tr1 said:
Holy cow! Uhh....is there some sort of vetting process for getting on/off this list?
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You don't get off the list. Once you're on it, your career is likely to be miserable forever.

What does a pilot on this list do for jumpseating to get to and from work?
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Most of them moved to domicile years ago or non-rev on their own carrier only.

Inverted said:
That sounds dangerous. Especially since nothing is officially recorded. Hopefully nobody gets on that list by accident. I would imagine that the scab list isn't very long though...
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There are a few thousand names on it. It dates back to the Century Airlines strike of 1932. The names have the word "DEAD" written next to them. A SCAB may die, but he'll always be a f'n SCAB.
 
av8tr1 said:
You should read the "My side of the story" thread. It's pretty shocking.
http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/my-side-of-the-story-falcon-f-o.110232/
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while shocking, there is no way he didn't know. I read the whole thread.


I don't care who you are and what you fly. if you show up to work and every single thing is different (from the number of people who called in sick, to the way he got a ride from a special place he had to park, to special security screening, etc etc the list goes on) you should know something is up.

a random guy taking a picture of you getting in the jetway, I mean


the signs were all there. He chose to ignore them so he says. I say he knew and had to create a coverup for calling it spirit wings on the atc transmission
 
Maurus said:
I am actually surprised that I have not had a CA check a Scab list yet. Especially since the guys I fly with have a ton of CAL exposure.
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I only checked it when it seemed likely. For example, CAL pilots who crossed usually had an employee number that began with a letter. That's an easy sign (or at least it was pre-merger; employee numbers may be different now). DOH is also an easy tell. Someone hired at CAL between '83 to '85, for example. Or an older pilot who has a hire date in the early '90s at his current carrier may have been an EAL SCAB.
 
av8tr1 said:
Seems like one could easily be placed on this list by mistake. What sort of fact checking goes into this list? Is there a central controller who handles additions to the list? It seems like someone who has a grudge against another pilot could easily report said pilot for scab related activities when nothing actually happened?

This is all new to me. I come from a world without unions.
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Trust me, it's thoroughly vetted.
 
ChasenSFO said:
That list is very interesting to see. One of the first names is noted as the Enola Gay co-pilot. Really makes me wonder what lead him to make such a disastrous professional decision.
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That's a little strange because he's not listed as the crew on any of the Enola Gay missions...
 
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