Allegiant Airlines

Maximillian_Jenius said:
Show me this rule, if true I never knew or heard of it before.

As an aside, hopefully people don't take me seriously, though honestly it is a very mild pet peeve, but this thread felt like it need an injection of levity. If only for a moment...
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The 4 dot is technically 3 dots with a period at the end of it for when you are leaving out the last part of a sentence when quoting.

And it's nice to see you injecting levity instead of, umm, what you used to inject into posts.
 
BobDDuck said:
Well, then I'd guess we ("oldies and us gen x guys") better make damn certain that we educate the new guys showing up about how we got to where we are and what it took to protect that. I know I'm doing my part to ensure that education is there. Are you?
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It's going to end up being a futile effort. Kids these days are growing up on G1000s and will give you a funny look when you tell stories of round gauges. They also don't care for newspapers and take all their news via social media (twitter, facebook, etc). I'll be honest, I was born in '84 and I really don't care about the Continental strike or the Eastern strike in the 80s. Both are done and over with and *today* don't really affect anything. And I'm Gen X (or is that Y?). Going forward, as strikes become less and less likely, scabs and the concept of scab will soon be forgotten in the minds of the new generation. Besides, you'll only have their attention span for about 15 seconds. Maybe 60 if you talk about women.
 
hook_dupin said:
Though it's not unique to pilots. Teachers, tenure-track professors, city law enforcement, and city firemen all face the same issue of career non portability.
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Not the same. An LAPD officer can leave an join the CHP and make more or less the same he was making as a regular street/beat police officer. A teacher with a BS can leave and join another school district with the same BS and start at whatever the competitive pay is. LE officials, depending on qualifications, can also open up a world to themselves. It's no where near the same when in the airline industry when Pan Am fails and a 747 CA is left with no opportunity than to start over at the bottom of another airline making 30k.

And, this is where the foreign airlines really shine. If I was a 25 yr major airline pilot here and my airline failed and I was jobless, I'd happily never fly an N registered aircraft here, and walk away to the ME or Asia and land a DEC job and get nearly the same pay/seat status as what one had when they lost it here.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
AOPA isn't a union. It's a joke. ALPA provides legal representation, aeromedical services, insurance, collective bargaining, disciplinary representation, substance abuse help, accident investigation, the list goes on. It's a bargain.
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I have more respect for AOPA than ALPA. AOPA also provides legal representation for your certificates, aeromedical services, insurance - as long as you pay for these services. It's beyond what the regular $59 membership buys.

ALPA is not a bargain. It is nearly 2% of ones salary for results that vary drastically depending on which segment a pilot is in (regional or major) and what seniority he sits at (senior vs junior). Always has been the case, and always will be.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I have more respect for AOPA than ALPA. AOPA also provides legal representation for your certificates, aeromedical services, insurance - as long as you pay for these services. It's beyond what the regular $59 membership buys.

ALPA is not a bargain. It is nearly 2% of ones salary for results that vary drastically depending on which segment a pilot is in (regional or major) and what seniority he sits at (senior vs junior). Always has been the case, and always will be.
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Not true. Spirit pilots went out on strike because the company would not give on FO rates. It came down to that.
 
HRDiva said:
Not true. Spirit pilots went out on strike because the company would not give on FO rates. It came down to that.
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True. But still worth mentioning first year FO pay actually took a cut in the new strike contract compared to the previous 1st year rate, so the point of ALPA junior vs senior still sort of holds true. Although this isn't a good example of the junior vs senior disparity.
 
First year pay took a cut. When it came down to it they took the increases for pilots on the property. And the increases were for the FO's on the property. The entire group struck for the FO's.
 
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