Airnet hiring question
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jonnyb
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k, I'm confused........You already have an 8410 but you don't have the IFR Mins? So that means you have a 135 VFR letter, right? The answer (if I'm reading it right) would be NO. You cannot fly 135 IFR with out the IFR Mins, and I'm pretty sure Airnet requires you to fly IFR.
Hootie
Old Skool
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Also, I'm pretty sure there is no right seat time at Airnet in the Baron. If I remember correctly that's single pilot ops.
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Correction. During certain periods of needing pilots (probably not now/ check21) they will throw a pilot with 900-1100tt in the right seat and let them log sic for a couple of months till 1200 and then going pic. Even though this is freight this is done under part 135.
Also, I'm pretty sure there is no right seat time at Airnet in the Baron. If I remember correctly that's single pilot ops.
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Correction. During certain periods of needing pilots (probably not now/ check21) they will throw a pilot with 900-1100tt in the right seat and let them log sic for a couple of months till 1200 and then going pic. Even though this is freight this is done under part 135.
Stone Cold
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Just to correct some stuff...Airnet is in full swing with their right-seat time building. Their web site shows 1000TT to be competitive. You must have IFR 135 mins to fly as PIC 135 for them (1200TT, etc.)
Good luck...I am your competition.
Maybe we'll be flying in cold places together.
Good luck...I am your competition.
wheelsup
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If I remember correctly that's single pilot ops.
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Welcome to the word of interpreting FAR's. The aircraft is certified as single pilot, so there are those that believe that you can only have one person in it logging time. I'm one of them, but I'm strictly old school and haven't done any "shady" time building. It may be legal but it's not going in my logbook
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This article should answer your question Kellwolf...
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Time Building with AirNet
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AirNet offers a paid time-building option to pilots who do not yet qualify to fly as pilot in command in Part 135 operations. Under this arrangement, time-builders go through the same initial training program, but fly in the right seat with a captain-qualified pilot on one of AirNet’s piston twin routes until they build enough total and PIC time to take over the left seat responsibilities. Washka says pilots applying to the second-in-command program need about 900 total hours to be competitive for hiring.
“That would be excellent, because then it would take about three months to build enough time to become an AirNet captain and we think that’s optimal,” he says.
Inevitably, when AirNet’s SIC program is discussed, some pilots become confused about how to log the time. Washka recognizes the issue and says AirNet received so many questions on the logging of flight time “that we actually went back and sat down with the FAA in Washington to get interpretations and make sure we’re doing everything right.
“In a nutshell, what they said was not only can pilots log time in the right seat of our aircraft, but they can log it as SIC time because we require an SIC to be there,” he explains. “It used to be that we had them logging only their PIC time and the other time was just added to total time. Well, the FAA came back and said, ‘Look, even though the aircraft does not require a second crew member; because of the rules you operate under and your operations specs, you can assign a pilot to a plane and they can log their time as SIC time.’
“When a time builder is on board, as long as he’s trained and checked in the plane, he can log the time he’s actually flying the plane as PIC. If he’s not flying the plane, but acting as a crew member, he can log it as SIC time,” Washka states. “It’s totally legal and it’s important to understand. There’s no gray area in the logging of flight time as far as AirNet and the FAA are concerned.”
Washka also emphasizes that when AirNet hires a low-time pilot, he or she is immediately added to the company’s full-time pilot seniority list upon successfully completing initial training.
“It used to be they had to build up enough time to become a captain before they moved up to the full-time seniority list, so this change is a great perq for a pilot,” he says. “Their seniority is only determined by the day they pass their initial checkride, so if they hustle and do a good job, it can really pay off later when they’re higher on the list.”
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I don't agree with it, but its what airnet does along with several other companies that aren't so legit (i.e. pay for time, Key Lime Air and that freight operator out of San Juan that flies merlins come to mind) but according to Craig dba Airnet, its totally legal.
Then you have to consider the 61 PIC and part 1 PIC, and some companies disregard 61 PIC as mentioned in the article (southwest only wants part 1 PIC).
~wheelsup
If I remember correctly that's single pilot ops.
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Welcome to the word of interpreting FAR's. The aircraft is certified as single pilot, so there are those that believe that you can only have one person in it logging time. I'm one of them, but I'm strictly old school and haven't done any "shady" time building. It may be legal but it's not going in my logbook
This article should answer your question Kellwolf...
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Time Building with AirNet
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AirNet offers a paid time-building option to pilots who do not yet qualify to fly as pilot in command in Part 135 operations. Under this arrangement, time-builders go through the same initial training program, but fly in the right seat with a captain-qualified pilot on one of AirNet’s piston twin routes until they build enough total and PIC time to take over the left seat responsibilities. Washka says pilots applying to the second-in-command program need about 900 total hours to be competitive for hiring.
“That would be excellent, because then it would take about three months to build enough time to become an AirNet captain and we think that’s optimal,” he says.
Inevitably, when AirNet’s SIC program is discussed, some pilots become confused about how to log the time. Washka recognizes the issue and says AirNet received so many questions on the logging of flight time “that we actually went back and sat down with the FAA in Washington to get interpretations and make sure we’re doing everything right.
“In a nutshell, what they said was not only can pilots log time in the right seat of our aircraft, but they can log it as SIC time because we require an SIC to be there,” he explains. “It used to be that we had them logging only their PIC time and the other time was just added to total time. Well, the FAA came back and said, ‘Look, even though the aircraft does not require a second crew member; because of the rules you operate under and your operations specs, you can assign a pilot to a plane and they can log their time as SIC time.’
“When a time builder is on board, as long as he’s trained and checked in the plane, he can log the time he’s actually flying the plane as PIC. If he’s not flying the plane, but acting as a crew member, he can log it as SIC time,” Washka states. “It’s totally legal and it’s important to understand. There’s no gray area in the logging of flight time as far as AirNet and the FAA are concerned.”
Washka also emphasizes that when AirNet hires a low-time pilot, he or she is immediately added to the company’s full-time pilot seniority list upon successfully completing initial training.
“It used to be they had to build up enough time to become a captain before they moved up to the full-time seniority list, so this change is a great perq for a pilot,” he says. “Their seniority is only determined by the day they pass their initial checkride, so if they hustle and do a good job, it can really pay off later when they’re higher on the list.”
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Quoted from here
I don't agree with it, but its what airnet does along with several other companies that aren't so legit (i.e. pay for time, Key Lime Air and that freight operator out of San Juan that flies merlins come to mind) but according to Craig dba Airnet, its totally legal.
Then you have to consider the 61 PIC and part 1 PIC, and some companies disregard 61 PIC as mentioned in the article (southwest only wants part 1 PIC).
~wheelsup
