Roger Roger
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I dunno, I kinda get it. I think I approach the whole thing from a pretty positive perspective considering my seat, seniority, and commute, but I miss looking forward to going to work and hanging out with my friends.
AirlineApps: “Why Haven’t I Heard Anything”
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CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
Also, need future pilots in 121 to know that there will be an end date, whether 65 or 67 (save that debate for another thread) and don’t be shocked, surprised and threaten age discrimination lawsuits when you’re time is up. You know what you were getting into when your started, and theoretically planned financially for that end date.
Sculprit
Well-Known Member
You know a new truck is upwards of 100k right?
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
Paying back student loans on a Bachelor's, $100k+ in flight training, and having a place to live? Yeah - $100k doesn't go too far. The average apartment rent is now over $20k/yr in the average US city. I sold my 7 year old car for what I paid for it NEW. They are more now.
Good point!You know a new truck is upwards of 100k right?
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"Six figures" is a phrase developed when houses cost five figures, tuition four, and rent three. It's purely an appeal to emotion, without any rational basis. Further, a lot of these FOs aren't making "six figures" in year two, while still paying "six figure" loans for their flight training.
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I'm on year 10 CA pay and I'm not making $200k. Schedule is what your seniority can hold, modified by the schedules available. And most of my FOs aren't making "six figures," which, as I replied to someone else, is a meaningless phrase.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
or claim unemployment...anyway
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And I know this should be obvious, but that's $20k in post-tax dollars, paid with $100k in pre-tax dollars, which is to say ~$70k in post-tax dollars. Throw in food, the cost of surviving on the road, maybe even crashpad, fuel costs to work and back, car costs for an inexpensive used car, there's not a lot left over. Add student loans on top of that, and then flight training costs, and they're in a world of hurt.
Some of the replies here very much have "It's one banana. How much could it cost? $10?" energy.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Skåning
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They were $1.50 for 3 lbs at costco yesterday. Organic bunch was twice as much, but im cheap so went for the leaded ones.
phill1174
Well-Known Member
I’m in the same boat but ask me in 20-25yrs and I’m sure I’ll be singing a different tune. I hear that a lot from our senior daddies/mommas too. It’s understandable when things that shouldn’t be a fight are.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
Less than a decade ago, regionals started at like $30/hr or less. Hell, 5 years ago, Spirit paid $1700/mo until you were done with training and didn’t have healthcare for 90 days.
Regional pay has outpaced inflation by a ton over the years. Give me a break.
Regional pay has outpaced inflation by a ton over the years. Give me a break.
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non-sequitur
Hiboglossi
The Most Depressing Person
"Six figures" is still above the U.S. median household income, though not by a huge amount these days- the median was apparently $83,730 in 2024, which is higher than I would have guessed.
I like how people who haven't worked at the regionals in years are insisting you're wrong how much regional pilots make and how much time off they get.
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Yeah, I get that a lot.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Stick to facts.
Here are some:
Naturally, having been gone, I don't have the tables in the PPM format, but if Angry Pilot Central is to be believed, well:
Let's do E-Jet Copilot too!
Oh hell, for funsies, "on the Brasilia..." ('14 was the last time the scale was updated on that airplane, and it was scandalous that we peasants briefly made the same as CRJ FOs as the airplane went away, etc.)
Now, what nobody at SAPA has figured out (and the Company have!) is that the rates are great and all, but staffing is what is expensive (and other work rules), and that's why the Mormons don't have any, and it's why someone can't get anything more than policy manual minimum days off or have other nice things, too.
I for one am glad that regional pilots are no longer starving whilst being abused.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
When I started at a Regional just after 9-11, The rate was $21/hr. Top of the scale for FOs was $37. Adjusted for inflation thats about $66/hr. We did not have the FAA rest rules we do now. Reduced rest overnights were common, as were 6 legs per day. Trip trading did not exist, nor did pref bid. You bid a pre -made line, and that was your schedule. Some of those FOs at $37 were furloughed USAir pilots who had been at mainline for 16+ years, if they chose to be captains under the J4J deal, their rate was $60. Soft time, very limited. So if you had 80 hour line, thats what your were flying. You had a $10K training contract you had to repay hypothetically if you left, but no one did because there was nowhere else to go. Non-revving was certainly not any better than, still at the bottom of every list, and it seemed like everywhere you went was flown by a weight-sensitive RJ. A decade later (and 13 years ago), USAir was $40/hr as a new hire with TOP of the scale Airbus captains making $125 and FOs $85. The only concession Ill make is that we were all in the poop together and really didnt know any better. No one was leaving and everywhere was bad.
Things are F-in fantastic now, and if still seems bad, than thats a personal issue.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
The Captain last trip had never worked under not-117.
It's a pity it took as many accidents as it did.