Airline Pay
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montanapilot
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What about the big Northwest airlines strike a few years back or so? Did that accomplish very much as regards to pay or not? Also have there been very many pilots unions strike?
(please no pro or con comments about unions. I just wanna know if when they strike it helps increase pay or not)
(please no pro or con comments about unions. I just wanna know if when they strike it helps increase pay or not)
At the time of the NWA Pilot strike, I was working in their Data Center. They did get a nice raise, but anything they gained is being taken away in the current economy. The pilots and mechanics hold the cards when it comes to getting the raises they wanted. All though that cannot be said now.
powerlifter
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Wow, after checking those United wages, it's no wonder they've been having financial difficulties. Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.
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Wow, after checking those United wages, it's no wonder they've been having financial difficulties. Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.
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Since I do not want to get into a dog fight, I will just force myself to laugh uncontrollably.....
Wow, after checking those United wages, it's no wonder they've been having financial difficulties. Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.
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Since I do not want to get into a dog fight, I will just force myself to laugh uncontrollably.....
EatSleepFly
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Let the slamming begin...
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Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.
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Jackass.
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Call me crazy, but $150,000 per year seems pretty excessive, given the supply of willing pilots out there.
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Jackass.
a listing from avjobs.com very very few pilots make over 200k, a year, I would guess less than 1%.
Pilot Careers..... pay ......education required .....needed training ..... Who hires
Agricultural Pilot $20,000 - $70,000 High school diploma, special training, and license Agricultural operators, large farms
Air Taxi Pilot $9 - $18 / hr College Preferred Fixed base operators, air taxi operators
Air Traffic Reporting Pilot $18,000 - $40,000 College Preferred Radio & TV; traffic reporting companies
Astronaut $42,000 - $80,000 Engineering, physical science, physics, or similar advanced degree NASA
Corporate Pilot $19,400 - $115,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Companies with flight departments
Flight Instructor $12,300 - $40,530 H.S. diploma Flight schools
Helicopter Pilot $29,000 - $57,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Helicopter operators, corporate flight departments
Major / National Airline Pilot $23,000 - $250,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Major and National Airlines
Military Pilot $21,290 - $99,000 College degree U.S. Armed Forces
Regional Airline Pilot $16,500 - $60,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Regional Airlines
Test Pilot $15,000 - $200,000 College Preferred FAA, airlines, aircraft manufacturing plants, government agencies
Pilot Careers..... pay ......education required .....needed training ..... Who hires
Agricultural Pilot $20,000 - $70,000 High school diploma, special training, and license Agricultural operators, large farms
Air Taxi Pilot $9 - $18 / hr College Preferred Fixed base operators, air taxi operators
Air Traffic Reporting Pilot $18,000 - $40,000 College Preferred Radio & TV; traffic reporting companies
Astronaut $42,000 - $80,000 Engineering, physical science, physics, or similar advanced degree NASA
Corporate Pilot $19,400 - $115,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Companies with flight departments
Flight Instructor $12,300 - $40,530 H.S. diploma Flight schools
Helicopter Pilot $29,000 - $57,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Helicopter operators, corporate flight departments
Major / National Airline Pilot $23,000 - $250,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Major and National Airlines
Military Pilot $21,290 - $99,000 College degree U.S. Armed Forces
Regional Airline Pilot $16,500 - $60,000 College Preferred; most require 4 year degree Regional Airlines
Test Pilot $15,000 - $200,000 College Preferred FAA, airlines, aircraft manufacturing plants, government agencies
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Very interesting...thank you for finding that! So I guess my hopes of some day buying a private island in Fiji are gettting diminished. LOL.
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like all things if you work for it it can happen. If you are relying on your husband's pay to meet that goal, then yeah I'd scrap that idea pretty fast.
Very interesting...thank you for finding that! So I guess my hopes of some day buying a private island in Fiji are gettting diminished. LOL.
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like all things if you work for it it can happen. If you are relying on your husband's pay to meet that goal, then yeah I'd scrap that idea pretty fast.
TheWife
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Guess I better get a job as a phone psychic.
Actually my only goal is to have enough money to take care of our needs, not our wants, anything above and beyond that, I consider to be major bonus. BTW-what kind of benfits do they usually get aside from the check? Is health insurance paid for or a 401K or anything like that, or is it usually just the money? I have no idea how these things work, how unions work, etc.
TheWife
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Once you meet minimum hours (500 I believe) life ins. isn't THAT bad. But until then, that's when you are the most dangerous from what I have heard, so it's unaffordable. There are some specific companies that insurance just pilots though and give them group rates, I think they advertise in some of the flying mags.
triplec76
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Life insurance is pretty reasonable if you meet whatever guidlines your insurer sets. I pay a little higher premium because I dont have quite enough hours solo (not PIC, but actual solo) time as State Farm would like. I will meet the requirement for them soon, but its a yearly renewal so I will pay the higher premium until the policy is renewed. The increased premium isnt that much, and if you are flying through your certificates/ratings it isnt a big hassle.
kellwolf
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Is health insurance paid for or a 401K or anything like that, or is it usually just the money? I have no idea how these things work, how unions work, etc.
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As a RAMP AGENT, I get pretty decent benefits from the airline. Health insurance is fairly reasonable (med, dental, vision, etc), the 401K rock the house (vested already, and I've only been there a little over a year), and I get profit-sharing. 'Course this is just one airline, it varies at each one depending on union contracts.
I would assume the pilots would AT LEAST get the same benefits deal as the lowly rampers and customer service.
Is health insurance paid for or a 401K or anything like that, or is it usually just the money? I have no idea how these things work, how unions work, etc.
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As a RAMP AGENT, I get pretty decent benefits from the airline. Health insurance is fairly reasonable (med, dental, vision, etc), the 401K rock the house (vested already, and I've only been there a little over a year), and I get profit-sharing. 'Course this is just one airline, it varies at each one depending on union contracts.
I would assume the pilots would AT LEAST get the same benefits deal as the lowly rampers and customer service.
powerlifter
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We don't seem to have a shortage of Lawyers, either, yet some of them seem to make 300-400k a year.
Who do you want in the cockpit of your next airliner? A $150,000 captain who's happy? Or a $30,000 pilot with 1500 hrs and the ink still wet on his ATP?
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Is there a shortage of lawyers? No. Is there a shortage of lawyers who can reasonably demand $300,000 per year? Yes. This is why they're so highly paid. Connections and legal expertise go a long way in law, and can earn/save your clients a great deal of wealth. The bottom line is that those lawyers are worth every cent of that wage. That's why you don't see lawyer unions.
The issue here is whether a pilot with 12 years of seniority at an airline deserves $100,000 more than the pilot with 3 years. In law, that sort of seniority would usually justify the pay difference, since experience and connections are worth so much in that field. But how much is that 9 years of experience flying aircraft worth, especially when you've got experienced, furloughed pilots who would be happy to work at a fraction of the union rate?
Of course, I want the pilot with the most experience flying my plane. But at what price? If you've got two pilots with equal experiece, and one is willing to work at half the other's wage, I'll take the cheap guy.
We don't seem to have a shortage of Lawyers, either, yet some of them seem to make 300-400k a year.
Who do you want in the cockpit of your next airliner? A $150,000 captain who's happy? Or a $30,000 pilot with 1500 hrs and the ink still wet on his ATP?
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Is there a shortage of lawyers? No. Is there a shortage of lawyers who can reasonably demand $300,000 per year? Yes. This is why they're so highly paid. Connections and legal expertise go a long way in law, and can earn/save your clients a great deal of wealth. The bottom line is that those lawyers are worth every cent of that wage. That's why you don't see lawyer unions.
The issue here is whether a pilot with 12 years of seniority at an airline deserves $100,000 more than the pilot with 3 years. In law, that sort of seniority would usually justify the pay difference, since experience and connections are worth so much in that field. But how much is that 9 years of experience flying aircraft worth, especially when you've got experienced, furloughed pilots who would be happy to work at a fraction of the union rate?
Of course, I want the pilot with the most experience flying my plane. But at what price? If you've got two pilots with equal experiece, and one is willing to work at half the other's wage, I'll take the cheap guy.