Air Force CSO

How is life as a F-15 wso?

That is a pretty open-ended question. What, specifically, are you looking for? Hours you work? Time home vs deployed? Excitement of work during normal at-home training ops? Workload during a combat deployment? "Desk job" workload when not planning/flying/briefing/debriefing?

Life in the military, life in military flying, life in the fast-jet military flying business can either be outrageously good or a royal suck-fest....sometimes both in the very same day.
 
Probably better than life as not an F-15 WSO :)

Seriously, for all the bitching I did above and that others in this business probably do at times, it's still kind of first world problems. You get paid to fly thousands of hours in airplanes that few ever get a chance to even sit in, you get to (hopefully) succeed in one of the most demanding and dynamic jobs anywhere in the world, and you get to experience things that your friends can't even comprehend. How about sitting in the ready room of USS Ship, in all of your flight gear, when the 1MC calls "launch the alert 15 fighters".......which is pretty much what you have been waiting to hear your entire life since you were about 4 years old since you saw Top Gun.....except now it is actually happening, and you are one of those dudes. You go sprinting down the pway as fast as you possibly can, with people literally jumping out of your way. Get up to the flight deck, and in the time it takes a guy to preflight a cessna, your jet is already in tension on cat 1. You are shot off the front, and without ever bringing the motors out of full afterburner, you get to completely disregard every procedural rule in the book short of flying into the water, and you just point the nose towards the bad guy and climb like a scalded cat as you blow through the number. For a few minutes, you are the guy who would be in a picture next to the definition of "hard dick fighter pilot", if such a term were in the dictionary. Every E-2 controller or helo pilot hottie in the airwing is watching you too, and they know you are infinitely handsome, debonair, and pretty much just dead sexy. Your boner fest is slightly diminished by the time you get to the "merge" and realize the bad guy is just a G-1 or something weird and the whole thing is a training exercise, but you know that had it been a Bear, you would have absolutely shot it, because that is what you were put on the earth to do. You might even close your eyes, and imagine sweeping the wings of the big fighter, while turning the ICS knob down to drown out the troll in the backseat saying things like "dude that is the 7:15 out of Tampa". But then you are suddenly thrown back into reality when you realize you are simply talking to yourself because there is no backseat, and you are way below ladder, and you pretty much need to just chill out and hold overhead the ship at 250 knots because you have been in max AB for the last 10 minutes trying to be the first dude to get to the bad guy.........I mean how else were you going to tell everyone else in the airwing that they love the weiner, at 0200 on friday night when you are all sipping things like juice and milk and real party foods like cereal and jello, without a hot selfie of you next to some bizarre prop job that looks like Hef's personal ride from 1963. But you just seal the deal, when all those hotties get to watch you rip it off a mile behind the stern at like 10000 knots, and you go from a high start, to a settle, to a underline fly through down at the ramp to a taxi 1........boom.........they wouldn't put it there if it wasn't for stopping. As you play out in the wire, your canopy opens up and while the boss and everyone else is screaming for you to close your damned canopy and get out of the LA, you calmly say "not now chief, I'm in the zone", shut that hog down right then and there, get out and toss your helmet into the ocean, and walk straight across the flight deck like a rockstar and giving bro hugs to all the weirded out yellow shirts you can cross paths with.

Seriously, thats what we do on the reg

Fighter pilots still make movies. Attack pilots make history. :)

But intercepting a Gulfstream I is indeed up there on the cool factor.
 
Like Mike said that takes a lot of time away from family. How do you work 13 plus hours and keep sane for 20 years?
 
I guess intercepting an unidentified fishing boat isn't very cool by comparison.

Whatever, I'm a SSC fanatic. Most fun mission in the navy IMHO. When else do you get a license from CAG to do a 500'/500 kt flyby of a cruise ship while trolling for hotties sunbathing on the aft deck with the atflir? Awesome. Definition of the day f around
 
Whatever, I'm a SSC fanatic. Most fun mission in the navy IMHO. When else do you get a license from CAG to do a 500'/500 kt flyby of a cruise ship while trolling for hotties sunbathing on the aft deck with the atflir? Awesome
If I had a thing for Filipino fishermen it would have been a bit more exciting.

Tell me what 500 knots feels like :)
 
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Tell me what 500 knots feels like :)

Here's what 683 KCAS at 500' looks like (and droppin' a nuke while we're at it!):

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lol

my day today consisted of showing up at 0800 for 3+ hrs of mission planning (mind you I was flying last night so I didn't get to attend the other 3 hrs of mission planning that night), 3 hrs of briefing, first as an entire air wing, then as individual flights, then as individual elements, then loading mission cards while I am trying to eat my only food of the day. Fly for an hour and a half, land late afternoon, get into the debrief an hour later after I finished spinning my tapes and filling out paperwork in maintenance. Debrief is again 2+ hrs long, as you watch the entire event again on the big screen of tacts, then listen to all the comm real time, then have your flight debrief, and then your element debrief. Walked out of it at almost 9 tonight, then went back into work to write evals for my Sailors for the next 3 hours. That is kind of the lifestyle you are looking at. More power to you if you can find time to instruct on the side, or even have the interest in flying remaining to also fly outside of work.

And people wonder why I'm happy being enlisted... :p
 
How is life as a F-15 wso?

The best days were sprinting out for an alert launch to get GIs out of a jamb. The worst were my days of using leave to come into work or knocking out meaningless crap on a Saturday. Lots of days in between.

That said, I'd trade anything to be a LT in a fighter squadron again...
 
The worst were my days of using leave to come into work . ...

I never understood why anyone would do this. Leave is leave. The third rate bullcrap can wait. Nothing....none of thee BS first-grader busywork that the AF had me do, was worth killing myself over, such that I saw with many of my collegues. Those who lived to work, rather than worked to live.....yet had no idea they were doing the former, because the slave life of working 14-16 hours/day in the fighter squadron, was the programmed "norm" to them. That's sick....seriously sick. I fell partially into the same trap, before I decided to give active duty the finger. There came a time where the bullcrap bucket was overflowing, whereas the fun and personal satisfaction bucket was at maybe 15% full. Got completely sick and tired of being expected to be at the bar until 2200 or so on a Friday, where the SQ/CC was checking to see who was "motivated" and still there, after Id been pulling a week of 14 or so hour days. I got stuff to do....my life isn't the AF or the fighter squadron. And for the guys who's life was just that and who had family, they didn't have family for long. Much like my last OG/CC, who retired after devoting his life to everything true-blue, only to find out that he had nothing afterwards.

I still had the stupid fighter squadron mindset when I came to my current gig. First week here post-training, Im working on some flight and LE paperwork. About 7 hours into my shift. Supervisor comes by to ask what Im doing, how are things going? I explain what Im up to and how I should be done in the next 3 hours or so. Sup tells me "You're done in an hour right? I want you out the door by then; this paperwork and this building will be here tomorrow, I don't have OT time to pay you. So leave in 45 mins." :)
 
Mike D's thoughts on fighter squadron culture

Yeah... So I didn't see the hours or tasks as that different from what a medical resident or first-year lawyer at a large firm faces. I couldn't roll at that pace for continuous ops to ops to ops tours, but I thought my first intro years were valuable.

Now, my ability to crank out the work is useful as I try to be a competent staff-dude (in a field I know virtually nothing about), go back to school, be a weekend CFI, and get a business off the ground all at the same time.
 
Yeah... So I didn't see the hours or tasks as that different from what a medical resident or first-year lawyer at a large firm faces. I couldn't roll at that pace for continuous ops to ops to ops tours, but I thought my first intro years were valuable.

Now, my ability to crank out the work is useful as I try to be a competent staff-dude (in a field I know virtually nothing about), go back to school, be a weekend CFI, and get a business off the ground all at the same time.

As you said, Lt in the squadron was the best job, it just takes becoming field-grade or senior Capt to realize that. :) I agree.

In my airframe at my particular time, we were lucky to even get ops to ops after one tour. Most guys were going to white jets, or if they wanted back bad enough (and Korea wasn't available for fly), they took a remote or jump ALO, which (again, at the time) gave them choice of base to their airframe coming back. Other weird assignments available were EA-6, F-117, and a few QF-4s. Ironically, alot of light grey Eagle dudes were doing ALO in order to get back to flying quick, even though the sum-total of their air to ground knowledge was what they learned sitting through AGOS.

Unfortuntely, the AF has always been about working harder, not smarter; especially after the "do more with less" campaign. Now it's do everything with nothing.
 
In my airframe at my particular time, we were lucky to even get ops to ops after one tour. Most guys were going to white jets, or if they wanted back bad enough (and Korea wasn't available for fly), they took a remote or jump ALO, which (again, at the time) gave them choice of base to their airframe coming back. Other weird assignments available were EA-6, F-117, and a few QF-4s. Ironically, alot of light grey Eagle dudes were doing ALO in order to get back to flying quick, even though the sum-total of their air to ground knowledge was what they learned sitting through AGOS.

Unfortuntely, the AF has always been about working harder, not smarter; especially after the "do more with less" campaign. Now it's do everything with nothing.


It's funny how the pendulum has swung: quite a few fighter guys feel "stuck" in continuous ops assignments. The AF had to retool the pilot bonus to face waning retention... which seems to have only been met with moderate response.
 
It's funny how the pendulum has swung: quite a few fighter guys feel "stuck" in continuous ops assignments. The AF had to retool the pilot bonus to face waning retention... which seems to have only been met with moderate response.

It is indeed interesting. Ive known a couple people who did continuous ops to ops tours, 5 or so, but they'd do it like this:

First assignment: A-10 Osan volunteer, 1 year unaccompanied remote, choice of base on return.
Second assignment: CONUS base choice Pope (for example), standard 3 year tour.
Third assignment: Volunteer Osan again 1 year unaccompanied remote, same choice of base
Fourth assignment: Pope/DM (something CONUS, as I don't believe AFPC was allowing overseas to overseas such as Korea to Spang).

This gave these guys nearly 8 years consecutive ops tours. Not even WIC guys could do that.

Don't know if AFPC put the kabosh on this or not. It was doable for A-10 and F-16 guys to keep flying, as these airframes had flying remote tours (Osan/Kunsan for Vipers), whereas light grey Eagle guys had to do remote ALO to get the same turnaround time back to an ops assignment if they wanted to do so due to no remote fly opportunities in their airframe. I think is was the same for you dark grey Eagle guys in terms of no remote fly assignments?
 
Do the days go quick or do you regret going fighters? It must take a special person to do this for a career.
 
I think is was the same for you dark grey Eagle guys in terms of no remote fly assignments?

There's actually a few slots flying with the Saudis that can keep a guy in ops.

For some communities, there was the realization that BRAC 2005 cut FTU capabilities way too much. At the same time, we put quite a few guys in RPAs. Fast forward to now: folks can't go do anything else except the must-pay ALO bills and school.

Do the days go quick or do you regret going fighters? It must take a special person to do this for a career.

I loved it. Some of the days are quick... some are not. Here's what I think it takes: it takes a person who is motivated, willing to learn, and who can take criticism well.
 
Do the days go quick or do you regret going fighters? It must take a special person to do this for a career.

The only time I have even had a thought of regret was during 30 seconds or so of trying to defend against one of the SAMs being shot at me in Iraq in 2003 which was particularly close. I would have given just about anything in the world to be somewhere else in the world during that experience.

Other than that, the work has been all worth it. It is an ENORMOUS amount of sweat and pain, but for me the satisfaction of the job has mostly outweighed the junk in the non-flying aspect of the job (and I've even had some crappier "low" parts than most AF aviators have).
 
It is indeed interesting. Ive known a couple people who did continuous ops to ops tours, 5 or so, but they'd do it like this:

First assignment: A-10 Osan volunteer, 1 year unaccompanied remote, choice of base on return.
Second assignment: CONUS base choice Pope (for example), standard 3 year tour.
Third assignment: Volunteer Osan again 1 year unaccompanied remote, same choice of base
Fourth assignment: Pope/DM (something CONUS, as I don't believe AFPC was allowing overseas to overseas such as Korea to Spang).

This gave these guys nearly 8 years consecutive ops tours. Not even WIC guys could do that.

Don't know if AFPC put the kabosh on this or not. It was doable for A-10 and F-16 guys to keep flying, as these airframes had flying remote tours (Osan/Kunsan for Vipers), whereas light grey Eagle guys had to do remote ALO to get the same turnaround time back to an ops assignment if they wanted to do so due to no remote fly opportunities in their airframe. I think is was the same for you dark grey Eagle guys in terms of no remote fly assignments?
Other than helping get a competitive flying assignment like TPS, do those back-to-backs help or hurt a career?

Do those guys get reputations as sticks without other aspirations?
 
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