AIN/Bob Hoover honoring a scab!
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A Life Aloft
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Bejebus. Another award? He crossed the first damn day that our shoes hit the street. Day one. He lied about his age to stay flying past the mandatory retirement age and collect a paycheck. I am really stunned that Hoover would have selected him. Damn.
Did he ever give a reason why? Just selfishness? Or didn't care? Or paid off by management? Or just a jerk?
For those who did cross, were flight ops even going on? What would they be doing, by crossing? I can't imagine there would be enough management pilots who could (assuming they cared to) fly lines.
A Life Aloft
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Oh yeah, he had some long winded fictional tale of how when he was born out in the country that his family had never gotten him a birth certificate because he was born at home but that his birthday had been written in a family Bible or some such b.s. He flew during the strike because he didn't agree with it or support his fellow pilots. He made all sorts of public statements trying to defend and justify himself. He found himself on the brunt end of a lot of shall we say, certain treatments and scorn from the pilot group after that. He wasn't even that well liked before the strike to begin with either. You should hear what many of his F/O 's had to say about flying with him.
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Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Not losing any sleep over it. No "Fs" given.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
True.
But people do it at the big leagues because there are no consequences. Today, EWR 777 CA must be a hard gig to have to live with.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
True.
But people do it at the big leagues because there are no consequences. Today, EWR 777 CA must be a hard gig to have to live with.
Having been on the jumpseat of one of those guys flights a few times over the years, I can tell you it was a pretty damn frosty cockpit.
Meh. Still classless, stomping on the graves of the dead.
And even more classless. Taking that BS to the families of the deceased.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
Nick
Well-Known Member
True.
But people do it at the big leagues because there are no consequences. Today, EWR 777 CA must be a hard gig to have to live with.
I'll tell you what would be crappy to deal with.
After yet another layover where neither of the FOs will hang out with you, flying home ATH-EWR and neither of your FOs speaks to you except for flight related duties such as fuel monitoring, track clearances/waypoints, and approach briefs, for ten hours.
If you think that's exaggerated, that's exactly what the guys in my crashpad a few years ago reported back with when they'd arrive in the afternoon between Europe trips. So either the SCAB was having a lonely, somber trip or they're lyin'.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
And again, left seat, own boss, look to left and see only reflection of own azzhole-ness. Frosty or not, what do they care?
Seriously, EWR 777 CA. That's their consequence today.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
This is a bad thing? I actually like quiet CAs and those who do their own thing on the layover. No offense, and I like all the guys I fly with, but after a 6 hr transcon the last thing I'm thinking of is what we can do together on the layover, when we are flying 6 hrs tomorrow again anyway. My layover time is my quiet time away from the wife and young kid, soon to be kids. I'm in the slamclick phase for now.
Nick
Well-Known Member
Forget the layover part. I'm like you, I have no problem entertaining myself on a layover anywhere for any duration.
Read the rest of it again.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I get it. The FOs are treating them like that on purpose. No fun chat for a 7-10+ hr flight. No recognition or respect, other than what's required per the manuals and for CRM. Is that really a punishment? How much do those CAs really care about being ignored by the FO? They're still CA / boss, and it's still gear up mister. This isn't a consequence, just a mere/minor inconvenience.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I don't think you get it Mike. With (truly) organized labor there is absolutely nothing classless about stomping on the graves of the dead if they were scabs. It's one of those things where you are either in or your out. Simple as that.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
You know what isn't a minor inconvenience? Having to constantly lock your flight bag to something so it doesn't wander off. Having to never leave your food unattended in the lounge or in the cockpit. Never being able to accept a cup of coffee (or anything else) from the galley that isn't pre sealed. Never being able to ask for a day off trade with a fellow (non scab) pilot. Always having to make sure none of your fellow employees see which car you get in to when you drive home so it doesn't get destroyed while you are out on your next trip. Always wondering if your next sim check is going to be the one where the instructor was a guy who walked the line when you crossed it.
It's up to every other pilot on a property to make sure that their life is just like that.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Being born in 1984 if I was that 777 FO, I wouldn't resort to those tactics. Seriously, vandalism of a vehicle? I'd question the sanity of any pilot willing to do that and risk an arrest and charge. As for spiking a drink, I think a Northwest flight attendant did that once. Got jail time for it. All the things you wrote (in order) are: potential theft, potential theft, potential poisoning, [skip trip trade], and vandalism. Those are all crimes and some of them (poisoning a drink or vandalizing a car) carry charges and stealing from a fellow employee can easily result in suspension or worse (fired).
ALPA forgave the scabs, which makes them dues-paying ALPA members today. What they did sucks, but you seriously aren't encouraging downright illegal things (theft, poison, or vandalism) to these individuals? Come on, it's ALPA. Not the freakin mafia.
Candy Kubeck was an Eastern scab and what she did was terrible. Still, everyone lost their life on ValuJet and her being a scab had nothing to do with the crash itself. I would never stomp on the grave of a dead pilot. She fought tooth and nail to try and land safely and her crash was not your typical "pilot error" plane crash like the last several have been in this country.
And organized labor? Here's a fact about her being a scab. Had she not crashed, had she lived and been alive today, she'd be an uber senior SWA Captain sitting left seat of a Boeing 737 paying dues as a SWAPA pilot.
So who is the joke on? The jokes on all of us that scabs are allowed to be ALPA members like the rest of us and pay dues like the rest of us, which essentially makes them the same when it comes to ALPA protections.
For "true" unions, these scabs would be done. But we know in the airline industry, with ALPA, with the RLA, it just doesn't work like that. Instead, every major airline pilot who scabbed if alive today and still flying, are sitting pretty left seat of the largest jet of the airline.